Another state pushes Anti Union Laws

[biggunsbob]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...2d2e4b09bd304bcab13?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009

 

[tomdalton22]

good for them. 28 states have them now.

 

[Michchamp]

they should call them what they are "right to work for less" laws.

race to the bottom.

 

[biggunsbob]

good for them. 28 states have them now.

Yeah give more power to the company so they can fire or let people with no cause .
So freaking un-American. Might as well give them another huge tax break and let the trickle down Magic work like it did under Reagan's corrupt administration lol..note the sarcasm. .

 

[tomdalton22]

Yeah give more power to the company so they can fire or let people with no cause .
So freaking un-American. Might as well give them another huge tax break and let the trickle down Magic work like it did under Reagan's corrupt administration lol..note the sarcasm. .

I figured you would have a post like this. Are / were you a union guy?

 

[Michchamp]

I was in a union for a summer.

I made auto parts for a supplier in Auburn Hills.

it was okay. place was clean, had good workplace safety standards, etc. we all did our jobs, made our parts quotas. I got paid better than my friends working their typical summer jobs, even after I paid my union dues.

I gathered from some statements people made that my presence pissed some people off on both sides of the divide (management and union) because I was a "college boy" and therefore a threat in some ways for different reasons, but I didn't have any major problems with anyone.

I never saw anyone sleeping on the job or fucking around like you hear. I DID see those things in corporate jobs among non-unionized work forces I've worked since then.

 

[Gulo Blue]

How many unions are too powerful these days? I don't read about them that much. I guess police unions are fighting body camera use in some places (but I think I've read they are for them in other places.)

 

[tomdalton22]

I was in a union for a summer.

I made auto parts for a supplier in Auburn Hills.

it was okay. place was clean, had good workplace safety standards, etc. we all did our jobs, made our parts quotas. I got paid better than my friends working their typical summer jobs, even after I paid my union dues.

I gathered from some statements people made that my presence pissed some people off on both sides of the divide (management and union) because I was a "college boy" and therefore a threat in some ways for different reasons, but I didn't have any major problems with anyone.

I never saw anyone sleeping on the job or fucking around like you hear. I DID see those things in corporate jobs among non-unionized work forces I've worked since then.

I also had a union job while in college. I made a lot more than most as well. I did see people sleeping on the job, doing the minimum required and other bullshit. I was involved in a workplace accident but wasn't hurt. One of the P.O.S. union guys came up to me and told me to pretend my back was hurt and go to the hospital.

 

[Michchamp]

How many unions are too powerful these days? I don't read about them that much. I guess police unions are fighting body camera use in some places (but I think I've read they are for them in other places.)

yeah, police unions are the only unions that really have that sort of clout these days. and there's a good reason for that, which is the same reason you never hear anyone on the Right bag on police unions: they need those guys to protect their interests and crack heads when workers & students strike and get out of line.

I also had a union job while in college. I made a lot more than most as well. I did see people sleeping on the job, doing the minimum required and other bullshit. I was involved in a workplace accident but wasn't hurt. One of the P.O.S. union guys came up to me and told me to pretend my back was hurt and go to the hospital.

your experience was different than mine!

 

[Spartanmack]

Yeah give more power to the company so they can fire or let people with no cause .
So freaking un-American. Might as well give them another huge tax break and let the trickle down Magic work like it did under Reagan's corrupt administration lol..note the sarcasm. .

yes, unamerican because it says right in the constitution, every American has a right to a job and to not be fired or laid off from that job.

And as for the race to the bottom, that's a real knee-slapper. Unions are the reason we no longer have a manufacturing sector to speak of. Right to work is taking the foot off the accelerator so we don't win that race.

 

[Spartanmack]

How many unions are too powerful these days? I don't read about them that much. I guess police unions are fighting body camera use in some places (but I think I've read they are for them in other places.)

the teachers unions - tenure for high school and elementary school teachers? and that's just the tip of the iceberg.

government employee unions - what a great idea, have elected officials negotiate with a massive group of people who throw shit tons of money into elections. What could go wrong?

 

[Gulo Blue]

the teachers unions - tenure for high school and elementary school teachers? and that's just the tip of the iceberg.

government employee unions - what a great idea, have elected officials negotiate with a massive group of people who throw shit tons of money into elections. What could go wrong?

I definitely don't feel like teachers unions are too powerful based on where teacher salaries are at. Government unions could be a problem. I don't know, but I see the potential.

 

[Gulo Blue]

yes, unamerican because it says right in the constitution, every American has a right to a job and to not be fired or laid off from that job.

And as for the race to the bottom, that's a real knee-slapper. Unions are the reason we no longer have a manufacturing sector to speak of. Right to work is taking the foot off the accelerator so we don't win that race.

Globalization is the reason we don't have a manufacturing sector.

There are also cultural factors. Germany is able to succeed with strong unions and higher salaries than the US, but I've read it has something to do with a manufacturing cultural focus on applied research into established technologies. In comparison, most of our research discovers focuses on entirely new technologies.

 

[Michchamp]

Globalization is the reason we don't have a manufacturing sector.

There are also cultural factors. Germany is able to succeed with strong unions and higher salaries than the US, but I've read it has something to do with a manufacturing cultural focus on applied research into established technologies. In comparison, most of our research discovers focuses on entirely new technologies.

I've met wealthier Germans. they're a lot more "with it" and educated than the yahoos you'd meet on an country club golf course in the US.

they seem to understand they have an obligation to their country and population, and the more they depress wages and gut the security of the working classes the more problems they make for themselves. the lessons of Hitler's rise to power are widely taught

 

[Spartanmack]

I definitely don't feel like teachers unions are too powerful based on where teacher salaries are at. Government unions could be a problem. I don't know, but I see the potential.

not too powerful? how do you explain tenure for people who don't even conduct research or this...

http://nypost.com/2016/01/17/city-pays-exiled-teachers-to-snooze-as-rubber-rooms-return/

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2009/08/31/the-rubber-room

and where are teachers' salaries? they're not too bad for people whose work year is 9 months long with at least 2 weeks of vacation on top of the summers off then throw in their pensions, health insurance, etc. You may not get rich teaching but teachers aren't as underpaid as everyone thinks.

 

[Spartanmack]

Globalization is the reason we don't have a manufacturing sector.

There are also cultural factors. Germany is able to succeed with strong unions and higher salaries than the US, but I've read it has something to do with a manufacturing cultural focus on applied research into established technologies. In comparison, most of our research discovers focuses on entirely new technologies.

we wouldn't have exported so many jobs so quickly if unions didn't drive wages so high.

 

[Spartanmack]

I've met wealthier Germans. they're a lot more "with it" and educated than the yahoos you'd meet on an country club golf course in the US.

they seem to understand they have an obligation to their country and population, and the more they depress wages and gut the security of the working classes the more problems they make for themselves. the lessons of Hitler's rise to power are widely taught

great anecdote and a clearly logical, bulletproof conclusion from it - rich people in america aren't as smart as rich people in europe. is that sense of obligation to country and population what made them decide to take in a million refugees who don't share the same culture and sense of obligation to country and population? Those people are so much smarter than Americans!

 

[tomdalton22]

I definitely don't feel like teachers unions are too powerful based on where teacher salaries are at. Government unions could be a problem. I don't know, but I see the potential.

The average teacher's salary in the US is $56K which equals about $75K for someone who works all year.

The average american worker that has a bachelors degree averages $60K a year while those with a bachelors or higher was $62.5K

Those with an advanced degree was $72K

 

[Gulo Blue]

not too powerful? how do you explain tenure for people who don't even conduct research or this...

http://nypost.com/2016/01/17/city-pays-exiled-teachers-to-snooze-as-rubber-rooms-return/

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2009/08/31/the-rubber-room

and where are teachers' salaries? they're not too bad for people whose work year is 9 months long with at least 2 weeks of vacation on top of the summers off then throw in their pensions, health insurance, etc. You may not get rich teaching but teachers aren't as underpaid as everyone thinks.

I don't understand why you think tenure should involve research.

And 'not too bad' leaves room for 'not too good' to also be true. They don't need to be underpaid as a condition to argue that their unions aren't too powerful, they just need to not be terribly overpaid.

 

[mhughes0021]

we wouldn't have exported so many jobs so quickly if unions didn't drive wages so high.

Funny you say that....my companies position is to "train" the union position that they want to advance their careers to a non union position so they can negotiate their own wage. Why would i want someone else saying how much Im worth? And why would i want to be worth the same as someone i do double the work than?