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Game 6: Lions @ Saints Thread

We need to get healthy real quick. BYE week coming up? Couldn't come at a better time. Our QB is playing on one leg, one arm and busted up ribs now? Wtf lol.
 
Tipped passes. A lot of them. 3 freak ints


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Lions in great shape to win it. Get healthy

Bears will prolly win the div now with a rookie QB..

I can't even remember the last time lions were capable of getting out of thier own way..they probebly win this game today if stafford takes better care of the ball. You can't sit in the end zone that long with or without a good line at which the lions do not have
 
Bears will prolly win the div now with a rookie QB..

I can't even remember the last time lions were capable of getting out of thier own way..they probebly win this game today if stafford takes better care of the ball. You can't sit in the end zone that long with or without a good line at which the lions do not have

Sure, Stafford was bad but he has a terrible OLine right now. And he's beat up. I missed a lot of the game today for personal reasons but from what I saw, he was playing scared. Not a good sign coming from our leader....
 
Sure, Stafford was bad but he has a terrible OLine right now. And he's beat up. I missed a lot of the game today for personal reasons but from what I saw, he was playing scared. Not a good sign coming from our leader....

The o-line is a fk joke
The d line isn't impressive either
Most NFL quarterbacks will pick anyone apart when they have all day to throw
 
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The Lions loss is a tough one. Despite looking blown out, it was a one possession game in the fourth quarter. It hurts Detroit wild-card chances, because Atlanta, Carolina, New Orleans tiebreakers over Detroit.
But the divisional chances are better, because of what happened to Green Bay.

https://audioboom.com/posts/6396292...postgame-pod-lions-implode-in-new-orleans?t=0
LOCKED ON DETROIT LIONS PODCAST VOLUME 276. OCT. 15. POSTGAME. 17 minutes.
#Lions implode in New Orleans.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-refocused-new-orleans-saints-52-detroit-lions-38
Refocused: New Orleans Saints 52 - Detroit Lions 38.
PFF

http://www.espn.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=400951704
Boxscore.

http://www.detroitlions.com/media-center/video/recent-videos.html
Webvideo Highlights andlowlights from the Lions loss to the saints.

Matthew Stafford opened the game by fumbling the ball in his own end zone. New Orleans fell on it for an easy touchdown.

For the Detroit Lions, there was nowhere to go but up from there.
Then it got worse.

Stafford threw two pick-sixes and turned the ball over five times overall, four of which led to touchdowns, in a wild 52-38 loss Sunday in New Orleans against the Saints.

Detroit (3-3) trailed by as many as 35 points in the third quarter, behind Stafford's anemic play and a dizzying array of injuries that gutted both sides of the ball. Glover Quin, Golden Tate and Greg Robinson did not return from injuries, while Rick Wagner and Emmett Cleary also battled through injuries.

So did Stafford, who entered the game with an ankle injury and appeared to be nursing a chest injury during the game. And T.J. Lang didn't play at all because of a back injury.

At one point in the third quarter, the Lions had only five offensive linemen left, were playing without their best receiver and trailed 45-10.

Then they rattled off 28 straight points.

Marvin Jones pirouetted through the air for a one-handed touchdown from 22 yards out. Darren Fells used two hands to catch a 22-yard touchdown of his own, then Jamal Agnew housed a punt and A'Shawn Robinson snagged a Drew Brees pass at the goal line for a touchdown.

Just like that, a 45-10 laugher had turned into a seven-point nail-biter.

But the Jamal Agnew gods giveth, and the Jamal Agnew gods taketh away. After helping the Lions get back into it with his second punt return for a touchdown on the season, he botched a catch near the goal line and barely made it out of the end zone before getting crushed.

Then Stafford threw his second pick-six, this one to Cameron Jordan. And with that, a wild ride was over. Detroit fought valiantly to get back into it, but ultimately made too many mistakes and suffered too many injuries to overcome their comedy of errors.

The Lions have now lost two in a row, and three out of four. They're .500 for the first time since the start of the season. And they're hurting in so many ways heading into the bye.

With that, let's get to the observations:

-- It's hard to imagine a team needing a bye week more than this one, and I'm not even talking about the three losses in the last four weeks.
Just look at that tattered offensive line. Lang didn't play because of a back injury, then Wagner left the game in the third quarter because of an injury,
and Robinson was carted to the locker room shortly thereafter. And Lang's replacement, Cleary, left the game, too. Total it all up, and the Lions had just five healthy linemen left for the start of the fourth.

All the moving pieces up front led to some predictable breakdowns in protection, and with his mobility limited by an ankle injury, Stafford paid a dear price for it. He was sacked five times, after getting sacked six times each of the last two weeks. He was nursing what appeared to be an arm or chest injury in the second half. Things got so bad, backup Jake Rudock started warming up late in the third. Stafford was able to finish the game, and still hasn't missed a snap since 2015, but he's held together by bubble gum and duct tape heading into the bye.

-- To add insult to injury, Stafford was awful. As awful as he's been since that first game under Jim Bob Cooter in London, and maybe worse that even that. He fumbled in his own end zone to start the game, then again in the second quarter. He's now fumbled five times the last three weeks, and then he added a pair of pick-sixes in the second half. Four of the turnovers led to touchdowns. He had 12 passes batted down overall, and that's not a typo. Twelve! He did connect with Tate and Marvin Jones on magnificent touchdowns, and found Fells again during that 28-0 run, but nothing short of a miracle was going to overcome his avalanche of mistakes behind that patchwork offensive line.

He finished 25 of 52 passing for 312 yards, three touchdowns, two fumbles and three interceptions, two of which were returned for scores.

-- With that said, Detroit also lost Tate to injury in that disasterous third quarter. He is the club's best receiver, and perhaps the best in the league with the ball in his hands. He showed why in the first half, when he spun out of a couple tackles and then flipped into the end zone to get Detroit on the board. And without him on the field in the fourth quarter, nobody was getting open as Stafford tried to engineer another comeback.
He had to hold the ball longer than he'd like, which led to a lot of the hits.
So, yeah, Stafford deserves blame and so does the offensive line, but the receivers have to get open, too. And too often, they didn't down the stretch.

-- Detroit was playing without one defensive leader in Haloti Ngata, who has been lost for the season, and now lost it has other pillar. Glover Quin, who had played every defensive snap since 2015, left in the third quarter after taking some friendly fire in the form of an A'Shawn Robinson blow to the head. Quin laid motionless on the field while trainers examined him, then he was eventually helped to his feet and to the locker room. He was announced with a head injury, and did not return. And given how grave the injury looked on the field, one must wonder if his start streak will be in jeopardy when Detroit returns to the field in two weeks for a Sunday night game against Pittsburgh. He's started 122 straight games, which is double any other safety in the game. He hasn't missed a start since he was a rookie in 2009.

-- A'Shawn Robinson is a big man who is known for affecting the passing game with batted balls. He had seven of them last year, more than the rest of the defensive line combined, even though he didn't become a starter until the second half of the season. But he picked a heck of a moment to actually catch the ball for the first time, getting those big mitts around a Brees pass late in the fourth quarter and returning it 2 yards for the score. That got Detroit to within a touchdown -- but it would never draw closer, once New Orleans matched with a fat guy touchdown of their own.

-- Jamal Agnew gave the Lions some surprising life in the fourth quarter when he housed a punt from 74 yards out. In doing so, he became just the fifth player in Lions history to return two punts for touchdowns in a season. And he's the first rookie to do it since 1951. Bob Quinn looks like he mined a real gem in Agnew, who was literally playing in front of crowds in the hundreds at the University of San Diego. But he picked up punt returns as a senior -- and a year later, he's become one of the most explosive return men in the NFL. With that said, he's still a rookie prone to mistake, which he showed with a critical mistake late in the fourth quarter. Detroit had drawn to within a touchdown on the A'Shawn Robinson pick-six, then forced a defensive stop. But Agnew botched the punt, and barely made it out of the end zone.

-- The calls for Darren Fells to start will continue to grow after he hauled in yet another touchdown, this one from 22 yards out.
So a friendly reminder: He's started all six games this season, and had played more snaps than Eric Ebron three times coming into this one. This is a multiple tight end offense, with Fells and Ebron filling distinct roles. Having said that, there remains no question who is Detroit's No. 1 tight end. Not only does he slay in the blocking game, Fells continues to catch everything that comes his way. That includes on the touchdown grab, as well as on a fourth-and-5 play that came just inches short of the goal line at the end of the first half.
Fells now has three touchdowns the last two weeks. Ebron, on the other hand, has two the last two seasons combined.

-- It won't get the love it deserves because of the crooked numbers on the scoreboard and the injuries that were incurred along the way, but Marvin Jones hauled in what must be one of the most brilliant touchdowns of the young NFL season. He snagged a one-handed catch as he spun through the air -- and he did it with his left hand. He's right-handed, folks. The degree of difficult on the play cannot be understated.

-- Akeem Spence got the start at defensive tackle for Haloti Ngata, who was lost to a bicep injury that is expected to end his season. Detroit's defense was gashed without its leader up front, allowing 193 yards on the ground. And 128 of them came as New Orleans sprinted to that massive halftime lead. Mark Ingram, a Flint native, led the way with 114 yards on 25 carries.

1. Just when you thought the Lions were toast – at one point, the Saints had a 35-point lead.

Just when you thought this game was over – how often do you see an onsides kick in the third quarter?

Just when you thought, “I’m not sure the Lions have any healthy linemen left.”

Just when you thought, “Why in the heck is Matthew Stafford still in this game? Get him out of there before he gets killed! See, there, he just hurt his ribs!”

Just when you thought, “I’ve never seen anything like this. If the Saints tip another pass, I’m gonna scream!”

Around that time, the Saints couldn’t get out of their own way. It was the Saints who made bonehead play after bonehead play. It was the Saints that fell apart. And the Lions kept fighting, inching back, like something I’ve never seen before.

There was Stafford throwing what seemed like a meaningless touchdown pass.

And then James Agnew returned a punt 74 yards for a Lions' touchdown.

Then, A’Shawn Robinson intercepted a pass and danced into the end zone.

And suddenly, what the heck? How is this possible?

Suddenly, that Saints' lead had all but dissolved and the Lions still had a chance.

Granted, it didn't look good. The Lions were pushed back to own 1-yard line with 5:11 left. Down one touchdown.

Then, the Saints tipped another ball. (Seriously?) And Cameron Jordan caught it for an interception.

Touchdown.

2. No matter how bad the Lions played on Sunday.

No matter how many guys got hurt.

No matter how ugly it got.

The biggest news for the Lions actually happened in Minnesota, when Green Bay quarterback Aaron Rodgers suffered a broken collar bone. There is a chance he could miss the rest of the season.

In the long term for the Lions, that’s more significant than anything that happened on the field here in New Orleans.

3. You could forgive Stafford if he stood in Superdome and thought; “Dang, so that’s what a running game looks like.”

The bad news for the Lions? He was watching the Saints. New Orleans ran for 127 yards in the first half, averaging 6.2 yards per carry while picking up seven first downs.

Meanwhile, the Lions had just 57 yards rushing in the first half and 34 yards of that came on one Ameer Abdullah run.

4. The Lions offensive line was in shambles.

Guys went down with injury – before the game, or got yanked for their play, then returned, only as other guys got hurt.

It was impossible to keep it all straight.

At one point, it got so bad that Stafford was sacked by his own guy. Jordan came on a bull rush and simply pushed Brian Mihalik into Stafford. Jordan got the sack without touching Stafford.

5. Every time you turned around, somebody was getting hurt.

Safety Glover Quin was injured when he took a knee to the head by Robinson.

He was helped to his feet and his teammates tapped him on the back for encouragement, as he walked to the locker room.

Then, Tavon Wilson was injured after he was hit helmet to helmet, although he later returned.

6. Suddenly, Stafford can’t hold onto the ball.

On the Lions' first possession, the Lions were pinned deep in their own territory. Stafford went back to pass in the end zone, and he seemed to hold the ball forever.

Nobody got open and Stafford was sacked by Alex Okafor. Stafford dropped the ball and Kenny Vaccaro fell on it and the Saints had an early touchdown.

That was more on Stafford than his line. It was a horrible decision to hold onto the ball so long.

The second strip-fumble was a problem with protection.

Both led to touchdowns.

7. New Orleans came into this game without a turnover.

The Lions came into this game relying on turnovers. Something had to give, right?

In the third quarter, when the Saints up 21, Darius Slay ripped the ball out of the hands of Michael Thomas.

Of course, the Lions couldn’t do anything with it. And Matt Prater missed a 56-yard field goal. Wait a second. Prater missed a field goal? That’s when you knew this was going to be a horrible day for the Lions.

8. The Lions offense were in a heap of trouble. Stafford couldn’t hold onto the ball. The line was a revolving door. And receivers weren’t getting open.

And still, the Lions kept running the same bland, boring plays.

Take one moment in particular. The Lions had third-and-1 from the New Orleans 22. Predictably, they tried to run Zach Zenner. He got nothing.

Meanwhile, a short time later, the Saints had a 24-10 lead, and they were still cracking open their playbook. The Saints had a fourth-and-1, and they used a trick play, using a running back to pitch the ball and easily convert it.

Then, they pulled out a flea flicker. Before you knew it, they were in the end zone again, with a 30-10 lead.

In retrospect, those plays became huge.

9. Golden Tate is simply fun as heck to watch.

In the first quarter, Stafford hit golden, he spun out of one tackle, ran past another and spun around another defender, and he flipping into the end zone.

WHAT THE LOSS MEANS FOR LIONS

Despite the wild finish, the Lions (3-3) have to leave Sunday feeling good about their chances to win their first division title since 1993 after Green Bay Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers broke his right collarbone in a loss to the Minnesota Vikings.

BATTERED STAFFORD, LIONS

Stafford, playing with a sprained ankle, completed 25-for-52 passes for 312 yards, and had at least 12 passes batted down at the line of scrimmage.

Golden Tate had seven catches for 96 yards for the Lions before leaving in the second half with a shoulder injury. Starters Glover Quin (concussion) and Greg Robinson (ankle) also were taken to the locker room with injuries.

Brees finished 20-for-30 passing for 186 yards for the Saints, now 3-2.

A tipped pass, the 12th of the game, ended what could have been the greatest comeback in NFL history.

New Orleans Saints defensive end Cameron Jordan got his hands on a pass from quarterback Matthew Stafford at the line of scrimmage, hauled in the deflection in the end zone for a touchdown with a little more than five minutes remaining, ending the Lions’ improbable attempt to rally from a 35-point deficit.

Marvin Jones Jr. had six catches for 96 yards and a touchdown and Golden Tate hauled in seven receptions for 96 yards and a score.

Despite facing a larger deficit than any NFL team had ever recovered, the Lions continued to fight. Stafford connected with Jones deep twice, first a 38-yard bomb down the middle, followed by a 22-yard touchdown down the right sideline to breathe some life into the offense.

After a failed onside kick, safety Miles Killebrew forced Ingram to fumble and the Lions recovered. Stafford took the Lions 61 yards in 11 plays, connecting with Fells for 22-yard touchdown on a third-and-17.

Special teams and defense kept it going. Rookie Jamal Agnew returned a punt 74 yards for a touchdown and defensive tackle A’Shawn Robinson picked off Brees near the goal line for another score. Suddenly, the Lions were within seven, 45-38, with 6:47 remaining.

The Lions scored 28 unanswered points at one stretch in the second half to come all the way back to within 45-38 midway through the fourth quarter.

The Lions had a chance to drive 99 yards for an opportunity to tie the game, but Lions quarterback Matthew Stafford had a pass tipped up and intercepted by Cameron Jordan that pushed the Saints' lead to 52-38, which ended up being the final score.

Stafford threw touchdown passes to Marvin Jones Jr. and Darren Fells in the third quarter to begin to chip into the Saints' lead. A 74-yard punt return touchdown by Jamal Agnew had to make Saints fans feel a little uncomfortable. When A’Shawn Robinson intercepted Drew Brees on the following Saints possession and returned it for a touchdown, the New Orleans faithful were downright nervous.

QB Comparison: The big deficit forced Stafford and Co. into throwing mode in the second half. Stafford finished 25-of-52 passing with 312 yards, three touchdowns and three interceptions. He finished with a passer rating of 62.3.

Stafford had 12 passes deflected at the line of scrimmage, two of which resulted in interceptions. He threw touchdown passes to Golden Tate (45 yards), Marvin Jones Jr. (22) and Darren Fells (22).

Brees completed 21 of his 31 passes for 186 yards with a couple scores and two interceptions. His passer rating was 77.9. He threw touchdown passes to Ted Ginn Jr. (20) and Michael Hoomanawanui (2).

Poor run defense: The Lions entered Sunday’s game ranked third in the NFL in rushing defense, allowing just 74.6 yards per game. The Saints doubled that mark and then some.

When it was all said and done, New Orleans accounted for 193 yards on the ground and two rushing touchdowns.

Injury report: The bye week couldn’t have come at a better time for the Lions on the injury front.

The Lions lost a number of players to injury Sunday, including some of their key performers.

Starting free safety Glover Quin, the heart and soul of the Lions' defense, suffered a head injury in the second quarter attempting to make a tackle. He was down on the field for several minutes. When he was helped to his feet by trainers, they took him right into the locker room. He didn’t return.

Lions receiver Golden Tate suffered a shoulder injury in the second quarter and also didn’t return.

Left tackle Greg Robinson left the game in the third quarter with an ankle injury. He walked to the sideline following the injury, but was seen a short time later being carted to the locker room.

This game was pure insanity, but you somehow have to be proud
Believe me, I know this is crazy to even think. It was a bad game despite all the crazy moments. But the Lions were down by 35 points in the second half at one point. Then they did that thing where they refuse to die and brought the game back to within one touchdown. I mean, they did die after that, but still, man... You have to be at least a tiny bit impressed by what this team keeps doing late in games.

Matthew Stafford is the toughest SOB since Stone Cold Steve Austin
This guy just keeps getting beaten physically every week. Just destroyed in every way. Hit from both the left and right. But he just keeps going. That’s not to say he had a great game or anything. He threw three interceptions after only throwing one all of this season. They were all freak occurrence interceptions, as usual.

You may be upset that the Lions are losing. And you should be. But man, you still have to respect your quarterback’s grit on the field. The dude just won’t quit until he gets a leg ripped off. Even then I’m not sure he would quit.

Lions poop their pants on fourth down
You had to know it was coming right? The Lions need a touchdown before the half and everything goes right. They get great field position at their own 40-yard. Skill players are making plays and you’re getting in position. Then the Lions went full Lions.

The Lions got blanked on four straight tries from the Saints’ 5-yard line. The Lions have been a premier team in the red zone in the last few years. The plays the Lions ran were giant question marks, especially on their second down attempt when Stafford let Theo Riddick sit wide open in the end zone. Just embarrassing stuff.

Not as embarrassing as Nick Bellore’s one carry
This isn’t knock on Nick Bellore. He’s a good player in his own right. This is a knock on the Lions coaching staff. You can’t run the ball all day long. You can’t run the ball all season long. So on a crucial third-and-1, you bring in a linebacker to play fullback, and that’s how you try to gain a first down? Why?

Now for the real overreaction
Is it time for the Lions to make some changes in the offensive play calling department? I’m not saying that the Lions should fire Jim Bob Cooter. What I am saying is that perhaps it’s time to look into some other ideas. Perhaps it’s time to rework the playbook or have Jim Caldwell dust off one of his old playbooks. Who knows? What I can tell you is that this offense is bad. Like really bad. Like Fantastic Four bad.

The bye week couldn’t come soon enough
The Lions have had just a horrible last few weeks. Stafford has been sacked 17 times in the last three games. That’s not a fake stat. The Lions defense has allowed NFC South quarterbacks to run rampant all over them, the offensive line is banged up, Glover Quin left Sunday’s game, Kenny Golladay hasn’t played in weeks. This team needs the time off.

The good news is that you give Stafford another week to get healthy. Coming into the Lions’ Week 8, Sunday night game against the Steelers, the Lions could be getting both Taylor Decker and T.J. Lang back, as well as Quin and Golladay.

The Lions can also take some time to figure out what the heck is going on with this team right now. Keep in mind these guys were considered to be one of the best teams in the league just two weeks ago. Seriously, NFL.com had them ranked second in the league. That’s not a joke. Stop laughing.

Golden Tate was good
I’ve been wondering when we would see Tate start making big plays in 2017? Apparently it was week six. Tate went off on this beautiful touchdown. But he also added another six receptions as well. He caught every ball he was targeted on and finished with 96 yards. Unfortunately, that finish came when he was pulled from the game with an injury.

The Lions are still forcing turnovers
It’ll go somewhat ignored, but the Lions continue to force turnovers week after week. What should be talked about at the very least is that the Lions were able to get turnovers on a Saints team that had not allowed a single turnover all season—and were just one game away from setting a record for being the first team to play their first five games without a turnover. The Lions ended that. Be somewhat happy.

If you’re fat, and you want to score touchdowns, Sunday was game for you. A’Shawn grabbed a pick-six. Probably what will be the only one of his career. Cam Jordan then grabbed one on the next drive. Fat men scoring touchdowns makes the rest of us fat guys feel like heroes.

Marvin played well, too
While Marvin wasn’t as sure-handed as Tate was, he still grabbed six receptions for 96 yards and a beautiful one-handed touchdown. Sadly, it was all too late to actually matter.

Hey, Jim Bob, keep playing Riddick
You can argue that the Saints defense was playing soft after going up 35 points, but Theo Riddick still deserves some credit for making plays out there. He’s been seemingly missing all year long. On Sunday, he grabbed four receptions for 50 yards, and probably should have had that touchdown earlier in the game. Keep using this guy, JBC. Riddick is a weapon that should be used as such.

I can’t tell you how much I love this guy. From the moment I saw his highlight tape, I knew I wanted him to be my punt/kick returner. He’s made me the happiest man in the world. Agnew grabbed his second punt-return touchdown of the year. But he also did smart things like take advantage of the kickoff rule where the player stands half in and half out of bounds to force a flag and gain field position to the 40-yard line. This is the kind of thing that the Lions haven’t had from their return man in a long time.

Jamal did screw up late in the game, but I’m willing to look past this one being that he is just a rookie. If this happens next year, I may have to reconsider everything.

This was a wild game. It was depressing for long stretches. It was exciting in short bursts. We saw things that we couldn’t have possibly imagine. That said, this was an ugly game for the Detroit Lions across the board. The Lions offense looked out of sync. The defense looked lost. Even Prater missed a field goal. Between the injuries and the struggles on both sides of the ball, there wasn’t much positive to take away from this game. This game was all of the problems the team had seen through the first five weeks, bundled up into a disaster of a game in this Lions vs. Saints match up.

Offense
Matthew Stafford did not look good in this game. He routinely displayed poor ball placement and held onto the ball for too long. Pressure has been an issue for the past few weeks, but at some point Matthew Stafford’s struggles cannot be blamed on the offensive line. He is dealing with various injuries. Those definitely don’t help. The offensive line struggles don’t help. The wide receivers’ inability to create consistent separation doesn’t help. Don’t get me wrong, this isn’t an ideal situation, but it is hard to ignore Stafford’s struggles at this point. He needs to be better. He just doesn’t look like his usual self. Tipped passes are a problem. Part of that is on pass rush. Part of that is on Stafford. This needs to improve.

Jim Bob Cooter made no improvements to his play calling. It was predictable in nearly every way. This Lions vs. Saints matchup showed exactly why he needs to change. Cooter needs to start breaking tendencies and thinking outside the box. This cookie cutter offense is not going to succeed if they continue in the direction they are going. Cooter needs to be better.

The running game actually showed some flashes at times. It was a small sample size, but in games like this, you take your victories where you can get them. Abdullah looked explosive and showed good vision on a couple of nice runs. Riddick still ceded work to Zenner on third down. Pass protection has been an issue and getting Zenner in the game has been the best solution the Lions have drawn up.

Golden Tate looked really good. Then he went down with an injury. If this is a serious injury, this is going to be a serious issue for the Detroit Lions offense. Marvin Jones had a really nice catch in the end zone but struggled to create separation on a regular basis. This Lions vs. Saints game exposed some of the deficiencies in this receiving group. The Saints played a lot of one on one man against the Lions receivers, and the pass catchers did not step up. With Tate out, Riddick started to take over a lot of the targets for the Lions.

The offensive line was abysmal. Greg Robinson was benched. TJ Lang was out with injury. Rick Wagner went down in the third quarter. Swanson had a bad game. This was a worst case scenario for the Detroit Lions’ offensive line. This Lions vs. Saints game was hard to watch on this front. Stafford was consistently under pressure. The run blocking was lackluster. There were no bright spots for this offensive line. If the line can’t get healthy, there is little reason for optimism that this offense will start producing anytime soon.

Defense
The Lions’ offense put the defense in a lot of bad situations. The fumbles and the interception gave Drew Brees and the Saints’ offense very favorable field position. The defense didn’t step up to the occasion. Outside of a Darius Slay interception, the Saints shredded the Lions defense. The entire unit looked gassed. I can’t blame them. The Lions offense kept giving the ball back to the Saints. That left very little time for rest for the defense. It showed.

The defensive line struggled to get any pressure on Drew Brees. If you weren’t sure that Ziggy Ansah actually played in this game, I wouldn’t blame you. In fact, he did play and failed to generate any sort of pass rush off the edge. The Lions were missing Ngata on the inside. The defense hasn’t had great interior pressure all year, but the loss of Ngata definitely showed.

So far this year, the Lions have excelled at stopping the opposing rushing attack. That was not the case in this game. The interior of the defense has done a good job all year at stuffing runs up the middle. They struggle to contain the edge. With Ngata out, the Lions struggled to stop anything. Without the ability to stop the run, the defense was without its greatest strength all year.

The secondary didn’t look great. On paper, they held Drew Brees mostly in check. In reality, the running game was effective enough that the offense didn’t need much from Brees. The secondary hasn’t been nearly as dominant as it was in the first couple weeks. The injuries to Tavon Wilson and Glover Quin are going to hurt if the injuries are significant. Wilson returned to the game and appears to be fine. Quin is possibly the most important player on the defense. The Lions cannot afford for him to miss time.

What This Means
The Lions did not play a good game. They made a good game of it, but they did not play a good game. They didn’t look like a contender this week. The Lions didn’t look like a good team this week. They didn’t even look like an average team this week. The Lions can’t play like this and expect to win games.

The injuries are piling up for the Detroit Lions. This Lions vs. Saints game was brutal in terms of health. The Lions need their bye week. They need to get healthy and regroup. This team looks beat up, and it looks lost. This is a far cry from the team that we expected to see after the first three weeks of football.

https://www.prideofdetroit.com/2017...nts-stock-report-darius-slay-matthew-stafford
Detroit Lions vs. New Orleans Saints stock report.
In a roller coaster of a game, the Lions had plenty of ups and downs so we’re going to look at who’s up and who’s down now.
POD

http://www.freep.com/story/sports/n...-questions-matthew-stafford-pulled/766464001/
3 Lions Qs: Matthew Stafford should have been pulled in third quarter.
Freep

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/sp...s-grades-poor-play-starts-stafford/106695782/
Lions grades: Poor play starts with Stafford.
Detnews

https://detroitjockcity.com/2017/10/15/detroit-lions-week-6-game-balls-loss-new-orleans-saints/
Detroit Lions: Week 6 game balls in loss to New Orleans Saints.
DJC

http://www.espn.com/blog/detroit-li...-were-saying-after-loss-to-new-orleans-saints
What the Detroit Lions were saying after loss to New Orleans Saints.
espn

http://www.detroitlions.com/news/oh...into-bye/275584c0-14b8-4ee7-bf3a-e038a8d4c886
BURNING QUESTIONS: Where do Lions stand going into bye?
Lions.com

http://www.detroitlions.com/news/li...-in-loss/a4470bcc-fc23-487b-9629-55c45ff211d3
FOUR DOWNS: Tipped balls hurt Lions in loss.
Lions.com

https://lionslowdown.com/2017/10/15...st-to-the-new-orleans-saints-in-a-weird-game/
Five reasons the Detroit Lions lost to the New Orleans Saints in a weird game.
LionsLowdown

https://www.fanragsports.com/5-things-we-learned-from-saints-win-over-lions/
5 things we learned from Saints win over Lions.
FRS

http://www.freep.com/story/sports/nfl/lions/2017/10/15/detroit-lions-vs-new-orleans-game/766480001/
Detroit Lions report card: Matthew Stafford, Jim Caldwell earn Fs.
Freep
 
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The o-line is a fk joke
The d line isn't impressive either
Most NFL quarterbacks will pick anyone apart when they have all day to throw

I like what the DLine has done as a whole though. No stars on that DLine at all. I like Zettel, I like ARob. Getting sick of the Ansah excuses though. If I was Quinn i'd be having a private meeting with Ziggy to find out wtf is going on with him. He's going to be kicked to the curb if this keeps up.
 
I don't like the idea that batted/tipped balls are 'fluky' but I also don't put that all on Stafford. O-Line is trash regardless of excuses or rationale. Stafford looked like a deer in the headlights. Cameron Jordan owes Martha Ford a giant child support check because he looked like Daddy playing with all of his kids in the backyard.
 
Again here we are everyone blaming the Offensive line and while they are terrible but you can adjust your offense accordingly. 1st fumble the line held for long enough, and Matt made a rookie Mistake and held on to the ball to long. 12 tip passes means the Saints found something on the tape and now we have to correct this . Maybe it's because Matt's hurt.
He is locking on to guys way to long and missing open receivers he missed Ridick and td before the half. This is on Jim bob too. Again a 4th down play that is short of the end zone . Wtf is that. He needs to be more intovated on offense . I just wish we had a better offense that starts on time .
 
Sure, Stafford was bad but he has a terrible OLine right now. And he's beat up. I missed a lot of the game today for personal reasons but from what I saw, he was playing scared. Not a good sign coming from our leader....

He was playing stupid. Sitting in the end zone for 5 seconds? 14 tipped/ batted passes. That's all on him. Nothing freak about it. 1 tipped pass... maybe. 14? Thats the qb not doing his job.
 
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I'm just pissed the Saints beat us. They are not a good team. A much better game plan and qb beats the saints pretty easy.
 
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Again here we are everyone blaming the Offensive line and while they are terrible but you can adjust your offense accordingly..

If it were so easy to make adjustments because of a terrible O-Line, teams wouldn't invest so heavily in a good O-line. Obviously Stafford was to blame for some of those batted balls but at the same time, the defense wouldn't be in position to bat many of those balls without pushing the O-line into the backfield. It's not like the defense were just standing there waiting for passes, they were annihilating the O-line at the LOS and having their way.

No one person was to blame. Receievers weren't getting open, Stafford wasn't finding throwing lanes or handling pressure well, and the O-line was massacred. Cooter has a lot of work to do in the next two weeks. But considering he's already neutered almost every play designed for 15 yards or more, I don't know how much more conservative he can get to make up for the lack of protection. This could be a really rough 10 weeks ahead of us.
 
A lot of the tipped balls were occurring on the Saints side of the LOS. When they didn't get initial pressure they would just standup look for who Stafford was staring down and simply put up their hands when he started the throwing motion.
 
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Backup Oline, no Tate second half, Quin hurt too, no Golladay, no Ngata, no Hyder or C Washington.


Congrats. Saints got us at the right time and needed some crazy plays to win the game and avoid a 35 point come back


Lions will get healthy and dominate. The bye couldnt' have come at a better time. Heal up Oline, Golladay, Tate, Stafford and Quin
 
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Backup Oline, no Tate second half, Quin hurt too, no Golladay, no Ngata, no Hyder or C Washington.


Congrats. Saints got us at the right time and needed some crazy plays to win the game and avoid a 35 point come back


Lions will get healthy and dominate. The bye couldnt' have come at a better time. Heal up Oline, Golladay, Tate, Stafford and Quin

You need to accept that the Lions got their asses handed to them, and that its mostly Stafford's fault
 
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