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Old 12-13-2017, 04:38 PM   #21
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Marlins trade Ozuna to Cardinals

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Old 12-13-2017, 05:02 PM   #22
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Big hike in salary this season but this was a horrible trade by the Marlins.
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Old 12-13-2017, 06:06 PM   #23
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Boras called the Marlins a "pawn shop." Ha!
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Old 12-13-2017, 06:37 PM   #24
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I don’t see the marlins even winning 55 games, that’s how awful that team is now
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Boras called the Marlins a "pawn shop." Ha!
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Old 12-20-2017, 07:27 PM   #27
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Old 12-20-2017, 07:38 PM   #28
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He pointed to the past five seasons as an example of baseball's "cyclical" nature. In 2013, the teams that had the first five picks in the draft -- Houston, Chicago Cubs, Colorado, Minnesota and Cleveland -- all were in the playoffs last season, while the teams that were in the 2012 World Series -- San Francisco and Detroit -- have the top two picks in this year's draft.
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Unless mlb steps up and says something teams will tank. Houston for example - those 3 50+ wins were an obvious tank.
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Old 12-21-2017, 05:50 AM   #30
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When a team is full of high-priced/older players and they are not winning, what are they supposed to do?

2010 Team (76-86)

C. Lee (34, $19.0 Mil) - traded mid-season 2012
L. Berkman (34, $14.5 Mil) - traded mid-season 2010
P. Feliz (35, $4.5 Mil) - Traded August 2010
H. Pence (27, $3.5 Mil) - traded mid-season 2011
M. Bourn (27, $2.4 Mil) - traded mid-season 2011
M. Keppinger (30, $1.15 Mil) - traded mid-season 2011
H. Quintero (30, $0.75 Mil) - traded beginning of 2012
C. Johnson (25, $0.4 Mil) - traded mid-season 2012

R. Oswalt (32, $15.0 Mil) - Traded mid-season 2010
W. Rodriguez (31, $5.0 Mil) - Traded mid-season 2012
B. Myers (29, $3.5 Mil) - Traded mid-season 2012
B. Norris (25, $0.4 Mil) - Traded mid-season 2013

They went from 8th in payroll in 2009, to 28th in payroll in 2012. These players just didn't walk, because most were already under long term commitment in 2009 or was under team control. HOU traded whoever they could, when they could, trying in the process to maximize their return. All but one listed above was traded during a season, not in the off-season. They were trying to keep a core group of players, but it wasn't working out.

2nd Half Record

2010 = 40-33 .548 WPCT (after trading Oswalt, Feliz and Berkman)
2011 = 26-44 .371 WPCT (better than the .326 WPCT from the 1st half - Bourn, Pence and Keppinger traded)
2012 = 22-54 .289 WPCT (worse than the .384 WPCT from the 1st half)

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2015 = 30-43 .411 WPCT (worse than .500 WPCT in 1st half)
2016 = 40-32 .556 WPCT (better than 1st half)
2017 = 25-50 .333 WPCT (1st half was .448 WPCT, 6-24 .200 WPCT last 30. Tank job?)

DET might be lucky to win 60 games this year. If at the trade deadline, they can get anything for Iglesias, Castellanos, McCann, Fulmer, etc, etc.....then they should. And that might mean 1-2 more years without winning 60 games. What it does do is accelerate the process to being back winning. The players were performing to their abilities and were not tanking.
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