Go Back   DetroitSportsForum > Sports > Detroit Lions
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 12-05-2017, 03:53 PM   #431
grandy   grandy is offline
Senior Member
 
grandy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 9,593
Quote:
Originally Posted by boogerlovejoy View Post
Oh I'm with you. His fumbles hurt, no doubt. I believe we are above average in the secondary as well.
Which is even more impressive considering what they have to work with up front.



Login or Register to Remove Ads
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2017, 04:04 PM   #432
boogerlovejoy   boogerlovejoy is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: MI
Posts: 7,550
Quote:
Originally Posted by grandy View Post
Which is even more impressive considering what they have to work with up front.
IMO it's on of the main reasons guys like Lawson have taken a step back this year.......our pass rush is so anemic and our underneath coverage so bad it makes our back 4 or 5 look worse than it is.

Major improvements are needed. I do like what Quinn has done so far. We are a deeper team 1-53......but we need more starting talent.
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2017, 04:27 PM   #433
LKP   LKP is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 12,883
Quote:
Originally Posted by boogerlovejoy View Post
IMO it's on of the main reasons guys like Lawson have taken a step back this year.......our pass rush is so anemic and our underneath coverage so bad it makes our back 4 or 5 look worse than it is.

Major improvements are needed. I do like what Quinn has done so far. We are a deeper team 1-53......but we need more starting talent.
Ngata, Hyder and Ansah hurt/playing hurt killed the pass rush. You are talking 3 of 4 starters. Robinson and Washington didn't step up and now Washington is hurt. Zettel did well but has been regressing of late. Hill got hurt as a pass rushing DT which leads to rookie Ledbetter getting extended playing time. Spence was a jack of all trades with experience but has sucked. Davis/Whitehead not much as blitzer. Wilson was a good blitzer but got hurt too.

Ansah a FA and Hyder/Ngata had major injuries. So they will go heavy on the Dline and will need better DT depth. Zettel, Washington can be a fringe starter and depth but they need to do more. So two DEs are now needed at least plus a pass rushing DT.

This will help Davis. Along with a year of experience under his belt. He must figure out his coverage problems though. Whitehead is solid but needs to be re-signed. A better SAM is needed. JRM is depth but need more (Bellore and Worrilow both failed). Bellore could be 6th LB though for ST or Longa. Copeland got hurt in offseason.

Oline. Need a LG to replace Glasgow moving to center or resign Swanson. There are some good centers in FA though. Decker, Lang, Wagner and Glasgow are set as 4 starters. A good backup swing tackle and guard are needed. Might be Dahl at guard but he got hurt. Corey Robinson is not the answer. Greg Robinson failed but worth a shot given the timing of the Decker injury (after FA and draft).

Running back. Get a power back.

CB2. Lawson or Hayden back cheap, Tabor improves in year 2 but still could sign a vet over all 3 of them. Would it be worth getting a Malcolm Butler to have Slay and Butler. That would be pretty shut down and make us really set at CB.

SS. Wilson is a FA. Can upgrade here and there are a lot in FA too this year. Killebrew a wild card but some reason they started Diggs.


8th most cap space and full draft. Can accomplish all of this

Last edited by LKP; 12-05-2017 at 04:29 PM.
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2017, 04:54 PM   #434
tomdalton22   tomdalton22 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 14,882
Quote:
Originally Posted by LKP View Post
Ngata, Hyder and Ansah hurt/playing hurt killed the pass rush. You are talking 3 of 4 starters. Robinson and Washington didn't step up and now Washington is hurt. Zettel did well but has been regressing of late. Hill got hurt as a pass rushing DT which leads to rookie Ledbetter getting extended playing time. Spence was a jack of all trades with experience but has sucked. Davis/Whitehead not much as blitzer. Wilson was a good blitzer but got hurt too.

Ansah a FA and Hyder/Ngata had major injuries. So they will go heavy on the Dline and will need better DT depth. Zettel, Washington can be a fringe starter and depth but they need to do more. So two DEs are now needed at least plus a pass rushing DT.

This will help Davis. Along with a year of experience under his belt. He must figure out his coverage problems though. Whitehead is solid but needs to be re-signed. A better SAM is needed. JRM is depth but need more (Bellore and Worrilow both failed). Bellore could be 6th LB though for ST or Longa. Copeland got hurt in offseason.

Oline. Need a LG to replace Glasgow moving to center or resign Swanson. There are some good centers in FA though. Decker, Lang, Wagner and Glasgow are set as 4 starters. A good backup swing tackle and guard are needed. Might be Dahl at guard but he got hurt. Corey Robinson is not the answer. Greg Robinson failed but worth a shot given the timing of the Decker injury (after FA and draft).

Running back. Get a power back.

CB2. Lawson or Hayden back cheap, Tabor improves in year 2 but still could sign a vet over all 3 of them. Would it be worth getting a Malcolm Butler to have Slay and Butler. That would be pretty shut down and make us really set at CB.

SS. Wilson is a FA. Can upgrade here and there are a lot in FA too this year. Killebrew a wild card but some reason they started Diggs.


8th most cap space and full draft. Can accomplish all of this
sounds like another holess superbowl bound team...just like the 2017 Lions
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2017, 05:54 PM   #435
boogerlovejoy   boogerlovejoy is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: MI
Posts: 7,550
Quote:
Originally Posted by LKP View Post
Ngata, Hyder and Ansah hurt/playing hurt killed the pass rush. You are talking 3 of 4 starters. Robinson and Washington didn't step up and now Washington is hurt. Zettel did well but has been regressing of late. Hill got hurt as a pass rushing DT which leads to rookie Ledbetter getting extended playing time. Spence was a jack of all trades with experience but has sucked. Davis/Whitehead not much as blitzer. Wilson was a good blitzer but got hurt too.

Ansah a FA and Hyder/Ngata had major injuries. So they will go heavy on the Dline and will need better DT depth. Zettel, Washington can be a fringe starter and depth but they need to do more. So two DEs are now needed at least plus a pass rushing DT.

This will help Davis. Along with a year of experience under his belt. He must figure out his coverage problems though. Whitehead is solid but needs to be re-signed. A better SAM is needed. JRM is depth but need more (Bellore and Worrilow both failed). Bellore could be 6th LB though for ST or Longa. Copeland got hurt in offseason.

Oline. Need a LG to replace Glasgow moving to center or resign Swanson. There are some good centers in FA though. Decker, Lang, Wagner and Glasgow are set as 4 starters. A good backup swing tackle and guard are needed. Might be Dahl at guard but he got hurt. Corey Robinson is not the answer. Greg Robinson failed but worth a shot given the timing of the Decker injury (after FA and draft).

Running back. Get a power back.

CB2. Lawson or Hayden back cheap, Tabor improves in year 2 but still could sign a vet over all 3 of them. Would it be worth getting a Malcolm Butler to have Slay and Butler. That would be pretty shut down and make us really set at CB.

SS. Wilson is a FA. Can upgrade here and there are a lot in FA too this year. Killebrew a wild card but some reason they started Diggs.


8th most cap space and full draft. Can accomplish all of this
Diggs balled out Sunday. He plays like that every week and he'll make a ton of money.
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-2017, 10:00 PM   #436
kalinecountry   kalinecountry is online now
Moderator
 
kalinecountry's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Bluesville Channel 74 on the XM Highway
Posts: 106,709
http://www.detroitlions.com/news/lio...0-1f9d65f38738
STATS PACK: What's going wrong in first quarter?
Lions.com

The Lions have been outscored 36-3 in the first quarter over their last four games. Itís just too hard to come from behind and win that many times in this league, especially against good opponents.

Detroit ranks fourth in second quarter points scored (106) and eighth in third quarter points (70).

For whatever reason, the first quarter has been this team's nemesis. Will it continue to be for the next month?

Hereís a look at some other key stats Ė good and bad Ė after 13 weeks of football:

Only Indianapolis quarterback Jacoby Brissett has been sacked more times (47) than Matthew Stafford (39).

Wide receiver Marvin Jones Jr. has 11 catches of 25-plus yards on the year. Only Antonio Brown (12), Brandin Cooks (12) and DeAndre Hopkins (12) have more.
Not one Lions defender ranks in the top 25 in the NFL in either total tackles, sacks or stuffs.

Detroitís offense is averaging 8.70 yards to go for a first down on second down. Only Buffalo (8.71) and Chicago (8.98) are worse.

Linebacker Nick Bellore scored his first career touchdown on a 1-yard touchdown pass in Baltimore Sunday. He is the first defensive player in the NFL to catch a touchdown pass since Texans LB J.J. Watt vs. Tennessee Nov. 20, 2014. Heís the first linebacker to do so since the Chiefsí Mike Vrabel at Houston Oct. 17, 2010.

The average starting field position for a Lions drive is the 29.2-yard line. That ranks in the top 10 in the NFL.

Detroitís allowed 80 giveaway points, the third most in the league.

Matthew Stafford has a passer rating inside the opponent 30-yard line of 108.4. Thatís fourth best in the NFL. Stafford continues to lead the league with a passer rating of 129.7 when he throws the ball at least 21 yards in the air.
His league-best 12 completions of 40-plus yards now rank as the second-most in a single season during his career (16 in 2011).

Detroit has the second most 20-plus-yard plays (45) over the last eight games. Only New Orleans (51) has more.

The Lions' defense is No. 1 in the NFL in the red zone on third down. Opponents are converting just 18.8 percent of the time. The league average is 38.8.

Opponents have had 22 1st and goal drives inside the 5-yard line. Thatís seven more than the next team on the list, the New York Jets (15). Of those, opponents have scored a touchdown 16 times, the most in the NFL.
__________________
"Baseball was one-hundred percent of my life". Ty Cobb.
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring". Rogers Hornsby.
"From 1955 to my retirement, the best All-Around Player in the American League was Al Kaline". Mickey Mantle.
"Kaline in my book is the greatest righthanded hitter in the league". Ted Williams.
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-03-2018, 09:26 PM   #437
kalinecountry   kalinecountry is online now
Moderator
 
kalinecountry's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Bluesville Channel 74 on the XM Highway
Posts: 106,709
https://www.freep.com/story/sports/n...ch/1000123001/
Detroit Lions GM Bob Quinn: 9 men on field 'will get straightened out'.
Freep
__________________
"Baseball was one-hundred percent of my life". Ty Cobb.
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring". Rogers Hornsby.
"From 1955 to my retirement, the best All-Around Player in the American League was Al Kaline". Mickey Mantle.
"Kaline in my book is the greatest righthanded hitter in the league". Ted Williams.
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-04-2018, 01:48 AM   #438
mhughes0021   mhughes0021 is offline
Senior Member
 
mhughes0021's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: San Diego, CA
Posts: 21,158
Worst first down offense in the league
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-04-2018, 05:20 AM   #439
Mitchrapp   Mitchrapp is offline
Moderator
 
Mitchrapp's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 38,378
Quote:
Originally Posted by kalinecountry View Post
https://www.freep.com/story/sports/n...ch/1000123001/
Detroit Lions GM Bob Quinn: 9 men on field 'will get straightened out'.
Freep
I'm glad he said that.. A GM that makes a HC accountable.
__________________
Trying to sneak a pitch past Hank Aaron is like trying to sneak a sunrise past a Rooster -- Joe Adcock

What are we at the park for except to win? I'd trip my mother. I'd help her up, brush her off, tell her I'm sorry. But mother don't make it to third -- Leo Durocher

The NFL can kiss my ass!!
  Reply With Quote
Reply
Top      

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:46 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.