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Old 05-20-2014, 11:06 AM   #1
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Led Zeppelin sued... again.

This time for allegedly ripping off the intro to Stairway To Heaven.
"a lawyer representing deceased Spirit guitarist Randy California is claiming the hard-rock legends stole the intro for their 1971 single "Stairway to Heaven" from Spirit's 1968 song "Taurus."
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ed Zeppelin and Spirit, who had a hit with "I Got a Line on You," played four gigs together in 1968 and 1969 (shows at which Businessweek claims Spirit played "Taurus"). Led Zeppelin also reportedly played a medley of songs that included Spirit's "Fresh-Garbage" a song that appeared on the same LP side as "Taurus" on their first U.S. tour."
the lawyer for the plaintiff explains why it took so long: "Spirit and California's family have waited until now to challenge the song's authorship because they did not have the means to pay attorneys. At the end of California's life, he would play sitar at an Indian restaurant in exchange for food."

I'll spare you my "Led Zeppelin sucks" rant. They were clearly the worst of the worst when it came to ripping off American blues/folk artists without giving songwriting credit or co-credit. I always wondered why Robert Plant was so dodgy and curt during interviews and that's probably why... a guilt complex.



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Old 05-20-2014, 11:07 AM   #2
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sorry for the double post. weird. I guess though it makes sense, since Led Zeppelin will almost certainly be sued again in the future, by another poor destitute songwriter when he finally cobbles together enough scratch to hire an attorney.

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Champ; I figured that you wanted the dupe thread deleted, regardless of whether or not Led Zeppelin ever ends up getting sued again, so I did that.

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Old 05-20-2014, 01:19 PM   #3
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Never got Led Zeppelin. Never will. Pretty much in the breach of my music-formation days and I associated them with drug-smoking burnouts. With cause. That they ripped off (I listened to the link) STH is disappointing, because they clearly did. But I don't know if it will stand up to the copyright statutes.
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Old 05-20-2014, 01:52 PM   #4
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I would say one part of the Taurus thingee influenced Stairway to Heaven; but shit like that happens in the arts all the time.

I don't know that it sounded like a full rip-off.
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Old 05-20-2014, 02:00 PM   #5
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Never got Led Zeppelin. Never will. Pretty much in the breach of my music-formation days and I associated them with drug-smoking burnouts. With cause. That they ripped off (I listened to the link) STH is disappointing, because they clearly did. But I don't know if it will stand up to the copyright statutes.
Another article I read had a quote from an IP attorney that made it sound like he had reviewed the two and the plaintiffs have a pretty good case here.

From ages 15-18 or so, I went through a big Led Zeppelin phase and saw Page/Plant at the Palace of Auburn Hills (all I remember is that it was loud, the sound was horrible, and there were A LOT of drunk 30-40 something dirtbags playing air guitar). I guess LZ has a certain appeal to that teenage mindset that doesn't know better... once my musical horizons expanded beyond heavy metal, Led Zeppelin didn't seem quite so innovative, or original, and I liked them less and less.

Another thing that I never liked was how bitchy Robert Plant was in interviews. His lyrics were either ripped off from bluesmen, or in the case of the more mystical Celtic stuff, the Hobbit, but he avoids both subjects and tries to act like some serious artist instead of just owning it. He's obviously not comfortable with his own career.
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Just as I listen Stairway to Heaven, it occurs to me that Gethsemane from Jesus Christ Superstar, by Weber and Rice, was substantially influenced by the former.

I doubt that's a coincidence; I'm sure they aware of what they were doing.
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Old 05-20-2014, 02:39 PM   #7
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I was a teenager during LZ's heydays, but did not see them perform live in concert. They sold out venues quickly, and I was not able to afford to see every band, singer, or group who I might have wanted to. I also attended the Page/Plant tour @ the Palace in the late 90s, and yeah I was one of those 40-somethings playing air-guitar, although most of my aging contemporaries there were fat and/or balding, I had & still have all of my (long) hair (no gray) @ age 57 1/2.

There was little if any mention in the media regarding LZ ripping off songs in the 70s, and I didn't really know that much about it until after broadband internet became common after the turn of the century. But the band's music was no small part of my youth growing up in the city of Detroit, and I still like many of their songs, whether or not they were plagiarized.
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I was a teenager during LZ's heydays, but did not see them perform live in concert. They sold out venues quickly, and I was not able to afford to see every band, singer, or group who I might have wanted to. I also attended the Page/Plant tour @ the Palace in the late 90s, and yeah I was one of those 40-somethings playing air-guitar, although most of my aging contemporaries there were fat and/or balding, I had & still have all of my (long) hair (no gray) @ age 57 1/2.

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Okay, so to be fair, not all the 30/40 something drunk guys there playing air guitar were dirtbags.

I guess music is music, and if you like a song it really doesn't matter how it was created... but for me it loses its lustre when I know the backstory. obviously LZ wasn't the only band to do it, but they seemed to be the least apologetic and most combative about it. In light of how destitute some of the people who they ripped off were, it's like would it kill Robert Plant and Jimmy Page to sign over a % of the royalties for Stairway to the guy? He could've eaten... at least, and they were still making money.

In contrast it seemed like other British bands were more decent about songwriting credits and giving credit where credit was due:


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Old 05-20-2014, 05:18 PM   #10
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Used to listen to these guys back in the day, then years ago/later I read about how they ripped off the old Bluesmen and their music. iirc Chuck Berry? sued them early on, and LZ settled with him.

Mick, Clapton, and other legendary Rock icons all gave credit to the old Blues men Like Muddy, Wolf, etc. and had them perform with their Rock groups while they were living.

and.....FZ did a better rendition of Stairway to Heaven, as well as Tied to the Whippin' Post.
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