hungry said:

So you're saying Michigan has been a little better than the other 2, but not much really?

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michchamp said:

Let me preface this comment by saying beating your rivals is important, and I hate losing to MSU and OSU (and ND) as much as anyone, but Harbaugh's record so far is 28-10, which is a very good first 3 years for ANY coach, anywhere.

The "1-5 record in rivalry games" stat people keep bitching about is not a fair and objective standard. Especially because that record is one fumbled snap and a 2-OT road loss amid questionable refereeing away from being 3-3. Those two losses aren't on Harbaugh... he had his team in position to win the games.

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michchamp said:

Let me preface this comment by saying beating your rivals is important, and I hate losing to MSU and OSU (and ND) as much as anyone, but Harbaugh's record so far is 28-10, which is a very good first 3 years for ANY coach, anywhere.

The "1-5 record in rivalry games" stat people keep bitching about is not a fair and objective standard. Especially because that record is one fumbled snap and a 2-OT road loss amid questionable refereeing away from being 3-3. Those two losses aren't on Harbaugh... he had his team in position to win the games.

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UMRules06 said:

The fumbled snap I'll agree. OSU last year I'm not just going to dismiss so easily though. Fact of the matter is Michigan was up 17-7 in that game in the third quarter and I thought Urban definitely outcoached Harbaugh in the second half. Michigan played not to lose and OSU played aggressive and ended up with the win. There were definitely things Harbaugh and the coaching staff could have done differently to put us in a better position. OSU controlled the second half. Harbaugh also gave them free yards on his sideline tantrum which helped them score a TD.

That loss is not ALL on Harbaugh, I'm just saying I thought Meyer definitely was the better coach that day.

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michchamp said:

Let me preface this comment by saying beating your rivals is important, and I hate losing to MSU and OSU (and ND) as much as anyone, but Harbaugh's record so far is 28-10, which is a very good first 3 years for ANY coach, anywhere.

The "1-5 record in rivalry games" stat people keep bitching about is not a fair and objective standard. Especially because that record is one fumbled snap and a 2-OT road loss amid questionable refereeing away from being 3-3. Those two losses aren't on Harbaugh... he had his team in position to win the games.

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dubbsco said:

You don't put any of that fumbled punt on Harbaugh?

The entire series before was a collection of shit play calls, and then he has gunners on a full-on punt rush. He owns a ton of blame for that.

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thewolverines24 said:

Huh? All the punter had to do was catch the snap and punt it away. Game over. Instead he dropped the snap and basically threw it directly to a MSU player.

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Sbee said:

Don't forget the weather vs MSU this year, he's really 4-2 vs rivals, what more do you want from the guy? What about Peters getting hurt? should have beaten OSU this year with him, that makes him 5-1

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michchamp said:

thanks for your helpful response.

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Sbee said:

That kind of rationalization of his record is comical, again, you can point to a number of things in close games. If OSU could have made a chip shot field goal in 2016 that game never would have gone to OT, etc.

Harbaugh may end up winning championships at Michigan, maybe not, of course it's not a given. The frustration from the fan base shouldn't be related to this season, with a team that young, losing that much, you can't expect much more than 8-4. I think the frustration is a function of the last 13 years with no big ten title, no trip to indy, etc. That wasn't going to be solved this year with the youth on that team, it's not their fault that expectations were out of whack with the roster.

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Gulo Blue said:

Here and elsewhere, it's tough to pin down what's going on with MSU posters. They want something from us. It's like they want to tell us what we should feel, so they can correct us and tell us we're wrong. Just weird nonsensical posts all over the map. But they're still all over every thread.

"8-4 was reasonable given the situation and you're all delusional with crazy expectations, but you should be angry with Harbaugh for being so bad and 4th place! LOL!"

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Gulo Blue said:

Here and elsewhere, it's tough to pin down what's going on with MSU posters. They want something from us. It's like they want to tell us what we should feel, so they can correct us and tell us we're wrong. Just weird nonsensical posts all over the map. But they're still all over every thread.

"8-4 was reasonable given the situation and you're all delusional with crazy expectations, but you should be angry with Harbaugh for being so bad and 4th place! LOL!"

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Gulo Blue said:

Here and elsewhere, it's tough to pin down what's going on with MSU posters. They want something from us. It's like they want to tell us what we should feel, so they can correct us and tell us we're wrong. Just weird nonsensical posts all over the map. But they're still all over every thread.

"8-4 was reasonable given the situation and you're all delusional with crazy expectations, but you should be angry with Harbaugh for being so bad and 4th place! LOL!"

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Sbee said:

I was trying to offer an outsiders view, if I meant to troll you I would have taken a different route. 8-4 after losing 18 starters isn't a terrible season by any means.

BTW, there are plenty of UM posterss on the MSU board.

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dubbsco said:

That play is completely different if there are not gunners going up field in an all-rush situation. It's inexplicable the way that entire series and punt was handled.

Ton of that falls on the coach.

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