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Old 10-03-2017, 01:18 AM   #11
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I'm so sick and tired of this. I hate what our country is now and the vile, reprehensible lack of civility.

Sick of it.
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Old 10-03-2017, 02:28 AM   #12
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https://www.nraila.org/gun-laws/stat...68#latest-news

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It is lawful to possess, purchase or sell a machine gun or silencer that is legally registered and possessed in compliance with all federal laws and regulations.

It is unlawful to possess, manufacture, or dispose of a rifle with a barrel under 16 inches in length, a shotgun with a barrel under 18 inches, or a rifle or shotgun with an overall length under 26 inches. Peace officers and persons licensed by the United States Department of the Treasury as importers, manufacturers, collectors or dealers are exempt.
My cousin owns several high end weapons in Virginia where there are also lax gun laws. While there are rules, he's always said as long as you have the cash it's not very difficult to procure these types of weapons.
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Old 10-03-2017, 06:48 AM   #13
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My cousin owns several high end weapons in Virginia where there are also lax gun laws. While there are rules, he's always said as long as you have the cash it's not very difficult to procure these types of weapons.
to me, that's a sign that dealers and "collectors" know jack shit is being done to enforce gun laws. this is not a new thing under Trump, but I have no hope he'll do jack shit about it.
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Old 10-03-2017, 07:04 AM   #14
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this shooting is particularly strange. not clear what his motivation was.

no prior arrests... no documented history of mental illness or odd behavior.

the news reports his dad was a career criminal and described as "psychotic" by the feds, but I don't know that matters; the shooter was 64, and that seems a little late to develop a psychotic personality.

shooter here just sounded like a lifelong mediocrity. they reported he had a bunch of "large transactions" at casinos recently, but aren't saying if they are wins or losses. I guess they might not have a way of knowing for sure they were losses. do casinos track that sort of thing, or would they just be able to see if he redeemed any chips?
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Old 10-03-2017, 07:31 AM   #15
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this shooting is particularly strange. not clear what his motivation was.

no prior arrests... no documented history of mental illness or odd behavior.

the news reports his dad was a career criminal and described as "psychotic" by the feds, but I don't know that matters; the shooter was 64, and that seems a little late to develop a psychotic personality.

shooter here just sounded like a lifelong mediocrity. they reported he had a bunch of "large transactions" at casinos recently, but aren't saying if they are wins or losses. I guess they might not have a way of knowing for sure they were losses. do casinos track that sort of thing, or would they just be able to see if he redeemed any chips?
Someone who traveled to Vegas with a cache of 19 rifles and hundreds of rounds of ammo, had a planned death wish while taking out as many unsuspecting innocent people as he could mow down until found and surrounded. Whether he won or lost thousands prior to opening fire likely no longer mattered. He was intent upon etching his name and deed into US infamy. Rather than dying in a close-quarters shootout with LEOs, he took the cowardly way out.
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LA Times reported he was using a legally purchased modification that allowed him to fire almost full auto. link.

devices to "legally" modify assault rifles to fire close to full auto seem like reasonable things to allow civilians to own, no? sure they COULD be used to massacre 50+ innocent people with no warning, sowing chaos, devastation, and anguish among us, but on the other hand, what if a guy wants to form a well-regulated militia to oppose tyranny? this is just the price we pay for freedom.
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Old 10-03-2017, 08:06 AM   #17
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No one needs even a semi-auto weapon to defend themselves and their homestead, and it appears that most are owned by those living in exurban/rural areas of the US. Odds of surprise are still in any invaders' favor, along with superior numbers and sheer sacrificial desperation. Their cache of firearms and ammo potentially/inevitably being used against them.

A "well regulated" militia nowadays isn't well regulated, and who do not use loose gunpowder, flints, tamp, and ball to single fire from muskets.

I have lived and worked gun-free in some of the more crime-prone areas of metro-Detroit over the past 60 years.
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no, there aren't and that's why there really haven't been any cases of the use of automatic weapons in mass shootings or murders in general. articles I read indicate it's been since at least 1982 - as stated above these guns have been illegal for civilians to possess since 1986.

Slate even published the fact that use of these weapons even prior to the ban was extremely rare.

Yes, there are, and someone has already posted proof in this thread.

I personally know more than one person with a permit for a fully automatic firearm.
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Old 10-03-2017, 10:19 AM   #19
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I personally know more than one person with a permit for a fully automatic firearm.
you personally know more than one PATRIOT is what youre saying. I wish I knew someone who owned a full auto rifle. I'd thank them for our freedom everyday.
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Old 10-03-2017, 09:04 PM   #20
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Has to be something we can all come together and agree on . Thankfully everyone I know out in Vegas was safe. Nothing will get done until we change the campaign finance laws probably. NRA, and the gun control lobby just another powerful lobby that some politicians by the balls sadly.
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