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Old 11-18-2017, 07:53 AM   #1
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Outfield Defense

Average UZR/150 = 0.0

MLB Last 3 years (min 500 innings, 193 qualify)

22. A. Romine 10.7
49. M. Mahtook 5.7
73. Y. Cespedes 3.0
84. R. Davis 1.8
89. C. Granderson 1.1
94. Av. Garcia 0.6

106. J. Upton -0.6
112. A. Jackson -1.2
135. T. Collins -3.5
139. R. Raburn -4.7
144. C. Maybin -5.8
155. J.D. Martinez -7.2
158. A. Gose -8.1
159. M. Joyce -8.3
172. A. Presley -10.7

**Castellanos -80.5 in 173.0 innings
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Old 11-18-2017, 10:42 AM   #2
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so he has some room for improvement!
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Old 11-18-2017, 10:48 AM   #3
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I guess this would be considered good news?

2017

Tyler Collins +6.3
Jacoby Jones +4.3
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Old 11-18-2017, 04:58 PM   #4
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2008 = 28th -9.2
2009 = 15th 0.2
2010 = 7th 5.7
2011 = 17th -0.6
2012 = 29th -7.3
2013 = 17th -1.1
2014 = 29th -9.8
2015 = 8th 3.9
2016 = 29th -10.2
2017 = 18th -1.1
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I guess this would be considered good news?

2017

Tyler Collins +6.3
Jacoby Jones +4.3

UZR/150 is highly volatile at low sample rates. Meaning even Castellanos' UZR/150 should be taken with a grain of salt. No one should have -80 given a full season. Yet, I hardly expect him to be better than -10.
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Old 11-18-2017, 05:43 PM   #6
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There is little doubt that the "18 Tigers team will be a cornucopia of suck, since it will quite likely only have a few players who can hit, field, or pitch halfway decently (or better), and less who can both field and hit, much less bunt, steal, take the extra base, break up a DP, and/or take a walk. The only unknown is how bad that this team will be historically.

Could it be capable of losing 120+ games?

Did the Tigers FO Gardenvarietyhire, in the hopes of avoiding baseball infamy?

We will have a better idea of how low they could go after the winter meetings, and ST.
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Old 11-18-2017, 07:55 PM   #7
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Nick didn’t seem too horrible out there this year.
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Old 11-18-2017, 07:59 PM   #8
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Nick didn’t seem too horrible out there this year.
I suspect the bad rating comes mostly from his bad range.
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There were 53 RFers with at least 170 innings (Castellanos had 173)

ARM
13. A. Presley
14. J. Adduci
15. C. Granderson

51. N. Castellanos
52. M. Joyce
53. J.D. Martinez

**Outfield Arm Runs (ARM) – The amount of runs above average an outfielder saves with their arm by preventing runners from advancing.

RngR
7. C. Granderson
11. M. Joyce

27. J.D. Martinez
32. J. Adduci
34. A. Presley
42. N. Castellanos

**Range Runs (RngR) – Is the player an Ozzie Smith or an Adam Dunn? Do they get to more balls than average or not?

ErrR
17. J. Adduci
20. A. Presley
23. C. Granderson

34. N. Castellanos
44. J.D. Martinez
52. M. Joyce

**Error Runs (ErrR) – Does the player commit more or fewer errors compared with a league-average player at their position?

RZR (Revised Zone Rating)

3. C. Granderson
6. A. Presley
10,. M. Joyce
12. J.D. Martinez

42. J. Adduci
51. N. Castellanos

**RZR = percentage of balls hit your way that were turned into outs

DRS (Defensive Runs Saved)

10. C. Granderson
16. J. Adduci

41. J.D. Martinez
46. A. Presley
48. N. Castellanos
51. M. Joyce

**DRS = Defensive Runs Saved for Outfielders include HR Saving Catches. It is hard for a LFer in BOS to leap the Green Monster. Or a CFer in ARZ. So this metric is highly suspect.

Outfield defense isn't about making errors. It is about getting to the balls. Limiting balls from being a double, triple or inside the park HR. It is about having a good enough arm to keep runners from trying to take the extra base. Some are enamored with Outfield Assists. If player A has a so-so arm, and 40 players try to take an extra base and 10 get thrown out, he has 10 Assists. If player B, in similar events, only has 20 players try to take an extra base, and he throws out 10, he also has 10 assists. Yet, most fans just based on the quantity of assists, thing they have the same arm. There are some outfielders, you just don't run on. J.D. Martinez and Nick Castellanos are not it that class.

RFers need to keep balls from getting the hitter an extra base. It isn't "misplaying" the balls that are the problem, it is poor routes and/or poor lateral movement. Once to the ball, they need to keep runners on base from taking extra bases, especially 3B. The longest throw to make is the one from RF to 3B. But it is also about hitting the cut-off man with accurate throws. Having a cannon that routinely over shoots the mark isn't helpful.

A poor RFer can easily add up to 10 additional earned runs to a starting pitcher over the course of 32-34 starts. Maybe not all of a team's starting pitchers will get 10 additional earned runs, but all will be affected.

Having Christin Stewart and Nick Castellanos in the outfield together, whether 2018, 2019 or whenever, is extremely stupid and shortsighted. LF is a more easier OF position as a whole to play. Why did the Tigers put Nick in RF?
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There were 53 RFers with at least 170 innings (Castellanos had 173)

ARM
13. A. Presley
14. J. Adduci
15. C. Granderson

51. N. Castellanos
52. M. Joyce
53. J.D. Martinez

**Outfield Arm Runs (ARM) – The amount of runs above average an outfielder saves with their arm by preventing runners from advancing.

RngR
7. C. Granderson
11. M. Joyce

27. J.D. Martinez
32. J. Adduci
34. A. Presley
42. N. Castellanos

**Range Runs (RngR) – Is the player an Ozzie Smith or an Adam Dunn? Do they get to more balls than average or not?

ErrR
17. J. Adduci
20. A. Presley
23. C. Granderson

34. N. Castellanos
44. J.D. Martinez
52. M. Joyce

**Error Runs (ErrR) – Does the player commit more or fewer errors compared with a league-average player at their position?

RZR (Revised Zone Rating)

3. C. Granderson
6. A. Presley
10,. M. Joyce
12. J.D. Martinez

42. J. Adduci
51. N. Castellanos

**RZR = percentage of balls hit your way that were turned into outs

DRS (Defensive Runs Saved)

10. C. Granderson
16. J. Adduci

41. J.D. Martinez
46. A. Presley
48. N. Castellanos
51. M. Joyce

**DRS = Defensive Runs Saved for Outfielders include HR Saving Catches. It is hard for a LFer in BOS to leap the Green Monster. Or a CFer in ARZ. So this metric is highly suspect.

Outfield defense isn't about making errors. It is about getting to the balls. Limiting balls from being a double, triple or inside the park HR. It is about having a good enough arm to keep runners from trying to take the extra base. Some are enamored with Outfield Assists. If player A has a so-so arm, and 40 players try to take an extra base and 10 get thrown out, he has 10 Assists. If player B, in similar events, only has 20 players try to take an extra base, and he throws out 10, he also has 10 assists. Yet, most fans just based on the quantity of assists, thing they have the same arm. There are some outfielders, you just don't run on. J.D. Martinez and Nick Castellanos are not it that class.

RFers need to keep balls from getting the hitter an extra base. It isn't "misplaying" the balls that are the problem, it is poor routes and/or poor lateral movement. Once to the ball, they need to keep runners on base from taking extra bases, especially 3B. The longest throw to make is the one from RF to 3B. But it is also about hitting the cut-off man with accurate throws. Having a cannon that routinely over shoots the mark isn't helpful.

A poor RFer can easily add up to 10 additional earned runs to a starting pitcher over the course of 32-34 starts. Maybe not all of a team's starting pitchers will get 10 additional earned runs, but all will be affected.

Having Christin Stewart and Nick Castellanos in the outfield together, whether 2018, 2019 or whenever, is extremely stupid and shortsighted. LF is a more easier OF position as a whole to play. Why did the Tigers put Nick in RF?
I wonder if it's easier to play RF as a RH? I'm sure that's completely off base but its a though.
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