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Old 12-19-2017, 03:57 PM   #21
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Original Star Trek series was awesome, and their movies 2, 4, & 6. Star Wars 4 & 5 were the best. I think they've gone a bit far with the Superhero movies. THOUGH I'm a fan of Robert Downey Jr. So I'll watch his stuff.
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Old 12-19-2017, 05:05 PM   #23
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Original Star Trek series was awesome, and their movies 2, 4, & 6. Star Wars 4 & 5 were the best. I think they've gone a bit far with the Superhero movies. THOUGH I'm a fan of Robert Downey Jr. So I'll watch his stuff.
I actually have an Ironman DVD at home. I found it in the parking lot of my gym circa 2009-2010, and kept it so if you ever come over my house you can watch it.
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Old 12-19-2017, 05:14 PM   #24
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I never saw Star Trek 1 or 3 all the way through. agree 2, 4, and 6 were great.

2 was the best, period.

It's hard to watch Spock die at the end.

"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one."

that line probably pisses off any billionaires who watch the movie these days.

I'd imagine a guy like Elon Musk, Thiel, Zuckerberg, or a Koch Brother would pay to digitally alter his copy of the movie to have Spock say instead "The needs of An Important, Successful Person like [insert billionaire's name here] outweigh the needs of a few."
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Old 12-20-2017, 12:47 PM   #25
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I always thought of Star Trek as sci-fi for adults; Star Wars was kiddie faire. The plots of a typical Star Trek episode were a lot higher-minded and philosophical or offered political commentary that you wouldn't find in Star Wars. not much nuance to "Darth Vader" as a force of evil and Luke Skywalker as good. shit. GI Joe cartoons from the 80's had more depth than that.

Star Trek's whole "no need for money or possessions" thing probably made NBC execs and US government censors squirm. maybe that's why it was cancelled so hastily during the first run, despite being so popular, at the height of the Cold War?
Have you seen Star Trek since The Next Generation? It got visually darker and the plots found ways to get further from starfleet. 1st they put it on a space station at the edge of Star Fleet territory, then they went through a wormhole to places Star Fleet couldn't reach, then they did a prequel before Star Fleet existed. There's currency and plots driven by character conflict and all your standard sci fi stuff.

Disagree with your simplification of Vader, he was raised and trained by good guys, wanted peace and order, and saved the good guys in the end. It's more about pain and fear of loss turning otherwise good people bad. Not super deep, but not just good vs bad either.
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Old 12-20-2017, 12:57 PM   #26
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Big Bang Theory which you've posted is a show you watch
Haven't really seen Big Bang Theory much since the rise of Netflix. Nothing against it, it just hasn't been happening. Watched the video you posted and hadn't seen any of it before, but I told my wife I'm Leonard at the end of it: married to someone inexplicably more attractive who brings home the bacon.
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You have succeeded in making Star Trek seem even nerdier than it actually really is.
Star Wars and Star Trek aren't trying to be the same thing. Star Trek is better compared to Dr. Who or The Twilight Zone or Issac Asimov short stories. Nerd Stuff. Lots of plots to consider lots of things.


Star Wars is about one thing, power and fear corrupting whiny people. [1977-2015 spoilers ahead] Whiny-ass Anakin gets powerful and goes bad; whiny-ass Luke dresses in all black and goes on a rage-blitz against Anakin, but then walks it back and doesn't turn evil, and then Ben is super whiny and throws tantrums before he's even met Luke (and I haven't seen the newest one yet, but Rey is the first super Force wielder that isn't also super-whiny.)

There are some deleted out there scenes from A New Hope that reinforced just how whiny Luke was.
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Old 12-20-2017, 02:22 PM   #28
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Have you seen Star Trek since The Next Generation? It got visually darker and the plots found ways to get further from starfleet. 1st they put it on a space station at the edge of Star Fleet territory, then they went through a wormhole to places Star Fleet couldn't reach, then they did a prequel before Star Fleet existed. There's currency and plots driven by character conflict and all your standard sci fi stuff.

Disagree with your simplification of Vader, he was raised and trained by good guys, wanted peace and order, and saved the good guys in the end. It's more about pain and fear of loss turning otherwise good people bad. Not super deep, but not just good vs bad either.
I watched a couple episodes of Deep Space 9; never got into it. that was the extent of my Trek fandom.
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It would seem probably that as a little kid I saw an episode of the original Star Trek in its original run, but I really don't remember that happening.

I never watched a single episode it in re-runs.

I never watched a single episode of the newer one, I guess the Next Generation.

I never watched a single Star Trek movie.

I think it was on this thread that I said that I watched the original Star Wars trilogy beginning with the first one when I was in high school; pretty much everyone my age did.

Never saw any of the newer ones.
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I never watched a single episode of the newer one, I guess the Next Generation.
The "newer one" is the 2nd oldest one. There's the original series, The Next Generation, Deep Space Nine, Voyager, and Enterprise. I've seen all of that and the animated series, which had the voices of the original cast. There's also a new series going on right now, Discovery, that CBS will only let you watch if you pay for their subscription service. I haven't seen any of that. There are also 3 sets of movies. Original cast movies, next generation cast movies, and now there's a reboot of the original characters (new people playing Kirk, Spock, and company.)






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