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Game 13: Lions @ Bucs Thread

grandy

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Detroit Lions (6-6) @ Tampa Bay Buccaneers (4-8)

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Injury Report
Link (from Friday)

Lions
T Rick Wagner (ankle) - OUT
DE Ezekiel Ansah (ankle) - Questionable
G T.J. Lang (foot) - Questionable
T Emmett Cleary (ankle) - Questionable
QB Matthew Stafford (hand) - Questionable
RB Ameer Abdullah (neck) - Questionable
CB Jamal Agnew (knee) - Questionable
T Corey Robinson (foot) - Questionable
C Travis Swanson (knee) - Questionable
DE Cornelius Washington (shoulder) - Questionable
P Sam Martin (right foot) - Questionable


Ravens
CB Vernon Hargreaves (hamstring) - OUT
DT Clinton McDonald (back) - OUT
S Josh Robinson (hamstring) - OUT
S T.J. Ward (concussion) - OUT
DE Ryan Russell (knee) - Questionable


Series History
Link
The Lions are 30-26 against the Bucs
Last Game: 12/7/2014, Lions 34 Bucs 17
Last Game in Tampa Bay: 9/11/2011, Lions 27 Bucs 20
Last Loss in Tampa Bay: 10/2/2005, Bucs 17 Lions 13
Recent Games: The Lions have won 3 of the last 4 meetings
 
Football Outsiders Stats

Ranks in parentheses. For info on acronyms and definitions, click on the links.

Team Efficiency

Total DVOA (Defense-adjusted Value Over Average)
Detroit 3.6% (15th)
Tampa Bay -15.9% (25th)

Weighted DVOA (DVOA adjusted for recent games)
Detroit -0.8% (17th)
Tampa Bay -17.9% (25th)

Offense DVOA
Detroit 2.4% (14th)
Tampa Bay 1.3% (15th)

Defense DVOA
Detroit 4.5% (20th)
Tampa Bay 13.5% (31st)

Special Teams DVOA
Detroit 5.7% (4th)
Tampa Bay -3.7% (24th)


Team Offense

Weighted Offense DVOA
Detroit 2.4% (15th)
Tampa Bay -0.2% (16th)

Pass Offense
Tampa Bay 21.8% (12th)
Detroit 20.1% (13th)

Rush Offense
Tampa Bay -16.3% (26th)
Detroit -21.9% (29th)


Team Defense

Weighted Defense DVOA
Detroit 9.1% (27th)
Tampa Bay 14.2% (31st)

Pass Defense
Detroit 10.4% (16th)
Tampa Bay 28.7% (31st)

Rush Defense
Tampa Bay -4.4% (22nd)
Detroit -2.3% (25th)


Offensive Lines

Adjusted Line Yards
Tampa Bay 3.97 (17th)
Detroit 3.08 (32nd)

Power Success
Tampa Bay 65% (11th)
Detroit 29% (32nd)

Stuffed
Tampa Bay 21% (14th)
Detroit 31% (32nd)

2nd Level Yards
Tampa Bay 0.95 (28th)
Detroit 0.92 (30th)

Open Field Yards
Detroit 0.63 (17th)
Tampa Bay 0.42 (29th)

Adjusted Sack Rate
Tampa Bay 6.2% (11th)
Detroit 7.9% (25th)


Defensive Lines

Adjusted Line Yards
Tampa Bay 4.12 (17th)
Detroit 4.37 (25th)

Power Success
Tampa Bay 56% (8th)
Detroit 58% (11th)

Stuffed
Tampa Bay 22% (12th)
Detroit 18% (28th)

2nd Level Yards
Tampa Bay 1.21 (21st)
Detroit 1.28 (27th)

Open Field Yards
Detroit 0.75 (17th)
Tampa Bay 0.89 (23rd)

Adjusted Sack Rate
Detroit 6.0% (23rd)
Tampa Bay 4.2% (32nd)


Drive Stats

Net Yards/Drive
Detroit -0.84 (18th)
Tampa Bay -3.84 (26th)

Net Points/Drive
Detroit 0.02 (15th)
Tampa Bay -0.42 (23rd)

Net DSR (Drive Success Rate)
Tampa Bay -0.012 (18th)
Detroit -0.025 (21st)

Offense Yards/Drive
Tampa Bay 31.17 (11th)
Detroit 30.21 (18th)

Offense Points/Drive
Detroit 1.99 (12th)
Tampa Bay 1.74 (21st)

Offense DSR
Tampa Bay 0.704 (11th)
Detroit 0.677 (19th)

Defense Yards/Drive
Detroit 31.05 (20th)
Tampa Bay 35.01 (28th)

Defense Points/Drive
Detroit 1.96 (17th)
Tampa Bay 2.16 (31st)

Defense DSR
Detroit 0.702 (23rd)
Tampa Bay 0.716 (27th)
 
looks like two mediocre teams

Banged up defense, mostly. D-line Ayers and Spence hobbled most of the season, Gholston dealing with a neck injury lately. Secondary dealing with Grimes and now Hargreaves out. On offense they had the Martin suspension to begin the year and Jameis hindered with shoulder injury, was out but now playing through it. Really an 8-4 team but screwed over by injuries.
 
Banged up defense, mostly. D-line Ayers and Spence hobbled most of the season, Gholston dealing with a neck injury lately. Secondary dealing with Grimes and now Hargreaves out. On offense they had the Martin suspension to begin the year and Jameis hindered with shoulder injury, was out but now playing through it. Really an 8-4 team but screwed over by injuries.

8-4.....you forgot refs blowing calls and weather......that's an 11-1 team really.

Stafford wins this game and it's the equivalent of a Super Bowl victory.....which would be his 17th true Super Bowl win.

A record that could only be broken by an Ebron/Stafford love child.
 
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I don't see us winning this game...and that's pretty sad. Unless the defense can go back to the beginning of the year when they were routinely causing 3 turnovers a game.
 
I'm hoping we have a play with 9 guys on the field again. Or maybe try to break it with 8.
 
How far will we be down to start the game this week? 10-0, 10-0, 13-0 or 20-0?
 
17-0 hasn't been done yet, so I'll pick that one. Lions are the softest team in the nfl
 
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think i'll skip this one.

Yep, don't care one way or the other. Just don't get Stafford killed. As long as its a step toward Caldwell, Cooter, or Austin losing their job its a win for me. Sick of the organization all together. Can't start games, can't put teams away when we get a lead, can't beat good teams, can't put together a complete game, can't be consistently solid at any aspect of the game. Fuck this year and this team for the year.
 
Sad when that is the majority of the fans outlook on the rest of the season when there is still, although slim, a chance to make the playoffs, but then again if we even do back into them we'll just get rocked like normal. JBC is not an NFL caliber OC.
 
I'm conflicted, I always want the Lions to win, however part of me wants them to lose out. I want this coaching staff gone. I don't want them to win just enough of the remaining games to keep the coaching staff safe.
 
When the Bucs were in the NFC Central, the Lions were the only rival who they had ~.500 record against.
 
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