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Old 12-20-2017, 02:37 PM   #11
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Note, that in addition to this drawing being terrible, he started filling in the color, and then moved on without finishing it. The still is from a video, so yes, you do know that he moved on.

God-fucking damn. Seriously... just seize it all and redistribute it already.
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Old 12-20-2017, 03:18 PM   #12
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God-fucking damn. Seriously... just seize it all and redistribute it already.
If you make something so great, you earn a fortune that could sustain generations of responsible spending, I see no problem with passing it down. There is an issue, I think, in the apparent ease of investing once you achieve a certain level of wealth. If the descendants really don't contribute to society, that nest egg should shrink. What specific rules should change is a difficult call, but I suspect that if I dug into the weeds, I'd find a lot of the investment world doesn't serve the ideals of free market capitalism. I'm already like 80% sure hedging should be done away with if the goal of our capitalism is to maximize efficiency.
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Old 12-20-2017, 03:25 PM   #13
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He isn't the scion of Charles or David Koch, two vile scumbags who are getting up there age-wise, but act like they have decades left where they need to meddle in politics to greedily retain and increase their already beyond obscene riches. Bill Koch, although also vastly wealthy, is nowhere near his brothers' double-digit billions.

I also don't see where the OP referred specifically to himself, but for others less fortunate who are the victims of the unbridled nekkid greed of the 01% and the global corporate capitalists, many of the former who were born or married into wealth and privilege. Not to mention those whose only "crime" is to dare to become unproductive and dependent due to age or infirmity. Those who look down upon misfortune and just being human truly disgust me.
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Old 12-20-2017, 06:54 PM   #14
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He isn't the scion of Charles or David Koch, two vile scumbags who are getting up there age-wise, but act like they have decades left where they need to meddle in politics to greedily retain and increase their already beyond obscene riches. Bill Koch, although also vastly wealthy, is nowhere near his brothers' double-digit billions.

I also don't see where the OP referred specifically to himself, but for others less fortunate who are the victims of the unbridled nekkid greed of the 01% and the global corporate capitalists, many of the former who were born or married into wealth and privilege. Not to mention those whose only "crime" is to dare to become unproductive and dependent due to age or infirmity. Those who look down upon misfortune and just being human truly disgust me.
Amen to that. There are a lot of greedy people in this world who are truly disgusting. The Koch brothers have a special spot in hell waiting for them.
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Old 12-21-2017, 07:54 PM   #15
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He isn't the scion of Charles or David Koch, two vile scumbags who are getting up there age-wise, but act like they have decades left where they need to meddle in politics to greedily retain and increase their already beyond obscene riches. Bill Koch, although also vastly wealthy, is nowhere near his brothers' double-digit billions.

I also don't see where the OP referred specifically to himself, but for others less fortunate who are the victims of the unbridled nekkid greed of the 01% and the global corporate capitalists, many of the former who were born or married into wealth and privilege. Not to mention those whose only "crime" is to dare to become unproductive and dependent due to age or infirmity. Those who look down upon misfortune and just being human truly disgust me.
I love how it's greedy for someone to keep something that's theirs but it's not greedy to confiscate someone else's property just because you think they have too much. I also think it's funny that you think those who doesn't want the government to seize their property are looking down on misfortune and just being human, like their all evil scrooge mcducks.
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Old 12-21-2017, 10:36 PM   #16
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I love how it's greedy for someone to keep something that's theirs but it's not greedy to confiscate someone else's property just because you think they have too much. I also think it's funny that you think those who doesn't want the government to seize their property are looking down on misfortune and just being human, like their all evil scrooge mcducks.
confiscating wealth and redistributing it isn't greedy; it's the opposite of greed, don't you understand?
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Old 12-21-2017, 11:19 PM   #17
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Every society has always had to come to a negotiated way to resolve how the society was gonna pay for the common shit that a society simply has to pay for as a society.

Like the common defense:



And roads and water systems and other shit:



And health care and sanitation:



Somebody, and everybody, to a degree, has to chip in from their own money or wealth or income or whatever to collectively pay for the shit.

So this talk of confiscation, and who is confiscating from whom, sounds like the quibbling of two petulant recalcitrant adolescents who both insist on being unequivocally ideologically right in the face of situations that societies need to address through an adult consensus.
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Old 12-22-2017, 10:34 AM   #18
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Every society has always had to come to a negotiated way to resolve how the society was gonna pay for the common shit that a society simply has to pay for as a society.

Like the common defense:



And roads and water systems and other shit:



And health care and sanitation:



Somebody, and everybody, to a degree, has to chip in from their own money or wealth or income or whatever to collectively pay for the shit.

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The quoted portion of your post is true. The problem with the rest is A LOT of the people party to this negotiation do not have a seat at the table, so to speak.
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HE'S A WITCH!

He turned me into a corporate oligarchy!
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to this goofus' credit, he's left everything up, even though twitter socialist bros have branded him "the failson poster boy for an estate tax."

In the end, I guess, You can't really slag on him personally for having conviction in his "dream" no matter how ridiculous it might look to the rest of us.

But still: estate tax. jack the rate through the roof. current exemption of $5.5 MM. that's MORE than plenty for anyone looking to secure education and college funds for grandkids and what not. current rate of 40% over the exemption? put in a graduated rate that increases sharply and goes to 100% at $1 BILLION. Family owned businesses and farms? eh... put something in place that doesn't break them up, but prevents them from being used to pass wealth. I'm not solving all the nuances of the tax code here.

no human being needs - or has earned, or deserves - a billion dollars. that's just silly. get real, guys.
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