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Old 01-07-2018, 12:18 PM   #21
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Oh.

I thought you meant within the context of the Democrat to Republican parabolic center.

Then, yes...

For liberals, it's gotten shittier.

For conservatives, it's gotten better.

For everyone else, not much has changed.

Not really.
for conservatives that are multi-millionaires or billionaires, it's gotten better. For the rest of them, it's gotten worse, but they're too stubborn (and/or stupid) to see that.

for scammers that run for-profit schools and colleges, or prisons, it's gotten better. I think we can assume the same for frauds in general, white-collar criminals and the like. although to be fair Eric Holder's DOJ under Obama really took that to another level, and Trump's DOJ has just continued the policy to a higher degree, President Trump being a career fraud and glorified conman himself.
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Old 01-07-2018, 12:31 PM   #22
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Isn't this what the federal government is supposed to do - enforce federal law? I don't really care whether pot is legalized or not, at least in theory. I'm sure in practice it will be a shitshow like just about everything else the government does. I wish we had a good lawyer who posted here to explain this (perhaps someday) but doesn't the supremacy clause say that federal law trumps state law? And doesn't the executive branch have an obligation to enforce the law and not pick and choose which laws to enforce? So even if this is a state's rights issue, isn't the proper course to change federal law rather than the executive branch choosing whether or not to enforce it?
yes, federal law trumps state law, except in cases where powers are not granted to the federal government (not applicable for drug laws, since that's an inter-state issue), and in cases where the federal law is unconstitutional; federal law can't require states to pay their own funds to enforce a federal law. but most states have their own drug laws, and the DEA is funded by the feds to enforce federal drug laws; it usually becomes a jurisdictional issue, with both state & local cops & the DEA clashing over who gets the big headline over a drug bust, and more importantly, who gets to keep the proceeds of the asset forfeiture...

if the board wants a formally researched legal memo on the topic, the board can pay an attorney to do that. fuck you.

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Also, lets not pretend like the Obama administration decided this was a state's law issue and just didn't enforce federal law. They just did it in a far more cowardly and underhanded way by sicking the IRS on marijuana producers/distributors. Maybe they didn't arrest and prosecute drug manufacturers and dealers as criminals, but they hit 'em where it hurts with massive tax bills, penalties and interest.
who is pretending Obama did that?

his administration did get better on this over time though, and Sessions' DOJ is a step back from that. a big step back. more like turning back the clock.
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Old 01-07-2018, 12:45 PM   #23
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Seems a tad ironic that the man with all the private prisons would want to re-criminalize what was determined by prior administrations and public opinion to be a non-issue.

The Alcohol lobby ...Big Pharma ...prisons and LE Unions are the only ones who'd want to go back in time and make weed illegal.

And when sniveling, dickless little Cory Gardner (R-CO) comes out immediately in defense of state rights to decide you know two things ... 1) He's scared SHITLESS about the next election cycle because of his associations with Trump and ... 2) Sessions little announcement isn't going to change a single fucking thing. No Federal Prosecutors are going to begin targeting state/local dispensaries or growers.


Unlike the Mueller investigation, the money laundering, the treason and collusion this is in fact a Nothing Burger.
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Old 01-07-2018, 12:53 PM   #24
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No Federal Prosecutors are going to begin targeting state/local dispensaries or growers.
Prosecutors don't go out and arrest people.

Again...what is the DEA going to do without support and cooperation from local law enforcement?

If DEA agents go out to dispensaries and arrest people...where are they going to take them for processing?

If I'm an officer with LAPD or the LA County Sherriff's Department, the LAST thing I wanna do is begin fucking with shit that I've been on vacation from for years - one clarification - local law enforcement has and continues to be active in the criminal prosecution of marijuana traffickers who have been functioning outside the auspicious of the locally proscribed laws.
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Old 01-07-2018, 12:57 PM   #25
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...President Trump being a career fraud and glorified conman himself.


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Prosecutors don't go out and arrest people.

Again...what is the DEA going to do without support and cooperation from local law enforcement?

If DEA agents to out to dispensaries and arrest people...where are they going to take them for processing?

If I'm an officer with LAPD or the LA County Sherriff's Department, the LAST thing I wanna do is begin fucking with shit that I've been on vacation from for years - one clarification - local law enforcement has and continues to be active in the criminal prosecution of marijuana traffickers who have been functioning outside the auspicious of the locally proscribed laws.

All this is, is yet another red herring ...raw, red meat being offered up to a segment of his "base" to keep them distracted from the larger, looming investigation and charges coming.

It's simply talking to the "Just Say No" demographic of old people, to reinforce their predisposition towards marijuana ...as they sip on their alcohol, pop their prescribed pills and watch Fox News.

The opiod crisis facing America and specifically states like ohio is such a bigger health concern ..but when your base is largely a stupid people, you say stupid things to get them fired up.
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but most states have their own drug laws, and the DEA is funded by the feds to enforce federal drug laws; it usually becomes a jurisdictional issue, with both state & local cops & the DEA clashing over who gets the big headline over a drug bust...
This kind of shit has been well documented for years in cop TV shows and movies...
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All this is, is yet another red herring ...raw, red meat being offered up to a segment of his "base" to keep them distracted from the larger, looming investigation and charges coming.

It's simply talking to the "Just Say No" demographic of old people, to reinforce their predisposition towards marijuana ...as they sip on their alcohol, pop their prescribed pills and watch Fox News.

The opiod crisis facing America and specifically states like ohio is such a bigger health concern ..but when your base is largely a stupid people, you say stupid things to get them fired up.

And its "Obama Bad" because, of course it is. Oh, and ...but her emails!! Lock her up!! And while you're at it, Lock up that nigger too!
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All this is, is yet another red herring ...raw, red meat being offered up to a segment of his "base" to keep them distracted from the larger, looming investigation and charges coming.
I think you're right...

By Associated Press

WASHINGTON -- Attorney General Jeff Sessions is rescinding the Obama-era policy that had paved the way for legalized marijuana to flourish in states across the country, two people with knowledge of the decision told The Associated Press.

Sessions will instead let federal prosecutors where pot is legal decide how aggressively to enforce federal marijuana law, the people said
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link to the article pasted from...

So what Federal Prosecutor in California, Colorado or anywhere else is gonna wanna screw with prosecuting pot usage that's being done in the manner set out in the state's laws?

I sure as shit wouldn't want to - it would be the last thing I'd want to do.
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Old 01-07-2018, 02:19 PM   #30
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That is some pretty funny shit.

Maybe I should start paying more attention to both Mother Jones and her crazy son Alex.
Everyone should, donít know much about mother jones but crazy son has a great crew
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