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Google engineer fired for diversity echo chamber memo

michchamp said:
I'm kinda surprised by your view on this.

one of the arguments against affirmative action has long been that "unqualified" minorities are getting into schools to the exclusion of "qualified" whites. But if you're rich and unqualified, and you buy your way in... no concerns there? no hypocrisy in bashing AA, but shrugging at this other form of meritless admission?
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Gulo is the mathematician but it seems to me that statistically events such as Jared Kushner would be to mathematically infinitesimal regarding skewing anything.

But I'll let gulo answer that because he is the mathematician.

Under affirmative action there was never a policy of taking strict and strident admission guidelines Specifically and exactly based on the civil rights act of 1964.

There were other things such as legacy and legatee and extracurriculars and so forth?

There was always a subject to formulation. It's like the Final four of college football or the final 60 of the NCAA tournament and the eight play in teams.
 
tinselwolverine said:
Gulo is the mathematician but it seems to me that statistically events such as Jared Kushner would be to mathematically infinitesimal regarding skewing anything.

But I'll let gulo answer that because he is the mathematician.

Under affirmative action there was never a policy of taking strict and strident admission guidelines Specifically and exactly based on the civil rights act of 1964.

There were other things such as legacy and legatee and extracurriculars and so forth?

There was always a subject to formulation. It's like the Final four of college football or the final 60 of the NCAA tournament and the eight play in teams.
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I don't have the numbers, but I'm vaguely aware that the number of out of state students has increased pretty significantly, and Michigan doesn't have many poor kids attending these days. So while super rich Kushners flat out buying their way in is probably insignificant (or a positive if that money enable more students overall), it seems they found a way to work the system out so money plays a significant role.
 
I find it bollocks he was fired to be fair.

I used to work in the automotive field. In the department I worked, management was striving for a 50-50 balance between males and females. At the time I left it was close to 60-40 m-f.

Which is difficult given that engineering is a male dominated field. (in terms of graduates)

Take for example my graduating class of 36 students in electrical engineering. A total of 3 students were female. (Granted it is not as bad in all universities and all segments of engineering)

AFAIK, all the schemes the university attempted to boost female enrollment in engineering have failed. For example, at my University, female students in engineering receive an annual deduction in their tuition.

The nursing programme has the inverse problem. That 90+ % of the students are females. Yet there are no such programmes to boost male enrollment. Strange that.

Ever hear of a hospital attempting to force a 50-50 gender distribution within their nursing staff? I haven't.

Yet somehow it is acceptable in the stem fields.
 
Gulo Blue said:
I don't have the numbers, but I'm vaguely aware that the number of out of state students has increased pretty significantly, and Michigan doesn't have many poor kids attending these days. So while super rich Kushners flat out buying their way in is probably insignificant (or a positive if that money enable more students overall), it seems they found a way to work the system out so money plays a significant role.
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yeah... better primary education: private schools, private tutors, coaches & prep courses for the SATs and ACTs. richer parents can pay for violin lessons, summer camp, extracurriculurs, and those sorts of things. plus the environment plays a role; kids need to belong in a group. In high school, if their peers are all studying and applying to colleges, they will too.

some of this is a bigger, income disparity problem.

still... the point was not to solve this, just point out, like I said...
 
Let's just make it law that everyone's outcome in life has to be exactly the same. Problem, solved.
 
byco42 said:
Let's just make it law that everyone's outcome in life has to be exactly the same. Problem, solved.
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me: there's a real problem with excess inherited wealth, and monopoly power in this country, leading to ineffecient, selfish incentives that actually reduce competition and free market outcomes. we need to increase the marginal tax rates, and especially estate taxes, on estates over $10 million back to where they were at least in the 70's, and start enforcing anti-trust laws, something the FTC & DOJ stopped doing under Reagan.

you confused, mind warped by decades of Cold War propaganda: Tax the rich? Anti-trust law? Communist! Let's just make it law that everyone's outcome in life has to be exactly the same. Problem, solved. Worked really great for the USSR. Hurr.
 
michchamp said:
me: there's a real problem with excess inherited wealth, and monopoly power in this country, leading to ineffecient, selfish incentives that actually reduce competition and free market outcomes. we need to increase the marginal tax rates, and especially estate taxes, on estates over $10 million back to where they were at least in the 70's, and start enforcing anti-trust laws, something the FTC & DOJ stopped doing under Reagan.

you confused, mind warped by decades of Cold War propaganda: Tax the rich? Anti-trust law? Communist! Let's just make it law that everyone's outcome in life has to be exactly the same. Problem, solved. Worked really great for the USSR. Hurr.
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You are the EMPEROR of STRAWVILLE. Watch the flame.
 
no, just following in the footsteps of Christ... arguing against those who put profit in front of people.
 
michchamp said:
no, just following in the footsteps of Christ... arguing against those who put profit in front of people.
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I'm not the target, obviously, because I do not support that premise. But I am glad to learn that you are making the attempt to imitate Jesus Christ.
 
michchamp said:
me: there's a real problem with excess inherited wealth, and monopoly power in this country, leading to ineffecient, selfish incentives that actually reduce competition and free market outcomes. we need to increase the marginal tax rates, and especially estate taxes, on estates over $10 million back to where they were at least in the 70's, and start enforcing anti-trust laws, something the FTC & DOJ stopped doing under Reagan.

you confused, mind warped by decades of Cold War propaganda: Tax the rich? Anti-trust law? Communist! Let's just make it law that everyone's outcome in life has to be exactly the same. Problem, solved. Worked really great for the USSR. Hurr.
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wasn't the estate tax back then like 70%?
 
Story been front and center this week here in the Bay Area ...and I used an 'all gender' restroom in the Haight yesterday. Had to wait for the woman ahead of me for a while.

Man, she destroyed that small bathroom as bad as any man might have.
 
TheVictors said:
Story been front and center this week here in the Bay Area ...and I used an 'all gender' restroom in the Haight yesterday. Had to wait for the woman ahead of me for a while.

Man, she destroyed that small bathroom as bad as any man might have.
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she was just trying to prove that men and women are equal
 
tomdalton22 said:
that's ridiculous
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yet, the country was prosperous, everyone was happy, and everything was fine. blue collar workers could send their kids to college & afford boats and modest vacation cottages. the sky didn't fall, and all the rich people didn't move away because their taxes were too high.

movies, TV, music, and art were better, and Bo Schembechler's Michigan Wolverines were kicking ass on the field while Bob Ufer called the games up in the booth.

What a time to be alive... I'm sad I missed it.
 
For a socialist your want of mass consumerism is surprising.

As is your nostalgia for an era which you have not experienced.

For example, look at the glorious decline of Flint in the 80s.

I should also point out that the 80s is what started the US decline as a global power. The best part, it was self-inflicted. Something about loans and such.
 
michchamp said:
yet, the country was prosperous, everyone was happy, and everything was fine. blue collar workers could send their kids to college & afford boats and modest vacation cottages. the sky didn't fall, and all the rich people didn't move away because their taxes were too high.

movies, TV, music, and art were better, and Bo Schembechler's Michigan Wolverines were kicking ass on the field while Bob Ufer called the games up in the booth.

What a time to be alive... I'm sad I missed it.
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I don't know that the economy was all that prosperous. There were up and down in the economic cycle, just as there has been in the periods since. Economic slowdowns and recessions were especially impactful on the auto industry and the city of Detroit.

There was Watergate, Vietnam, The oil embargoes, gas lines and gas rationing, A lot of social upheaval and the Iranian hostage situation.

It was a golden era for Michigan football though. Also in a lot of ways network television was better, generally because producers and writers weren't shackled with the political correctness that exists today. Classics like for example "All in the Family," "The Jeffersons," and "The Flip Wilson Show" could never get greenlit today because they would never pass the scrutiny of the liberal thought police.
 
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michchamp said:
yet, the country was prosperous, everyone was happy, and everything was fine. blue collar workers could send their kids to college & afford boats and modest vacation cottages. the sky didn't fall, and all the rich people didn't move away because their taxes were too high.

movies, TV, music, and art were better, and Bo Schembechler's Michigan Wolverines were kicking ass on the field while Bob Ufer called the games up in the booth.

What a time to be alive... I'm sad I missed it.
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Deflation. Inflation. De-inflation. WIN buttons. Gas lines. The WORST cars EVER manufactured ANYWHERE. Everyone was not happy. Everything was not fine. And ... powdered milk.
 
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