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Old 11-13-2017, 07:02 PM   #31
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Victor serves no purpose (cannot really play the field anymore) and is a negative in the clubhouse. He needs to be gone, $18 Mil be dammed.

There are a few examples of players becoming full time DHs at a young age. although most don't stick (see Chris Shelton).

David Ortiz 24
Billy Butler 25
Adam Lind 25

Now, keep in mind in the last 3 years, only 5 players have over 300 games as a DH. So technically, they aren't many that DH solely. The reason is that you need roster flexibility. So a DH has to be able to field a position somewhere. Victor cannot do anything but 1B, and has been limited there as of late (15 games in the last 3 years).

Christin Stewart is the same skillsets as Adam Dunn, in all areas. Even Adam Dunn got an everyday LF job in MLB, eventually moving to 1B (he also sucked there). If he had more spent time in the AL, he would have become a DH earlier than he did.

The Tigers have had plenty of defensive players who suck at offense (Iglesias for one). Why not try Stewart (he is about 2 echelons better offensively than Castellanos)?

This team is not going anywhere anytime soon. Spending roster spots on veterans that serve no purpose is a luxury this team can do without. There are plenty examples of cutting guys making undue monies.
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Old 11-13-2017, 08:59 PM   #32
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In hindsight signing Martinez to another 4 year contract was foolish, 2 years would have been much more appropriate, considering that he couldn't even play 1B much anymore, and that he was becoming ever slower on the basepaths.

I would offer him an extra $2 million, if he would agree to retire and annuitize the last year of his contract to $5 million per year over the next 4 years.

Christin Stewart looks like Adam Dunn in the K and BB categories, than HR. He could top 200 Ks moreso than hitting 40+ HRs, the latter @ least for a couple of seasons. Being a LH batter with some power is an asset, being poor defensively is a big liability. Put him on the bench as a PH and PT DH.
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Old 11-14-2017, 05:21 AM   #33
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In hindsight signing Martinez to another 4 year contract was foolish, 2 years would have been much more appropriate, considering that he couldn't even play 1B much anymore, and that he was becoming ever slower on the basepaths.

I would offer him an extra $2 million, if he would agree to retire and annuitize the last year of his contract to $5 million per year over the next 4 years.

Christin Stewart looks like Adam Dunn in the K and BB categories, than HR. He could top 200 Ks moreso than hitting 40+ HRs, the latter @ least for a couple of seasons. Being a LH batter with some power is an asset, being poor defensively is a big liability. Put him on the bench as a PH and PT DH.
HRs by Aaron Judge in the minors his last 3 years (through age 24):

17, 20 and 19

.261 BAVG .345 OBP .465 SLG .810 OPS 24.4 PA/HR

HRs by Christin Stewart in the minors last 3 years (through age 23):

10, 30 and 28

.262 BAVG .363 OBP .508 SLG .871 OPS 20.6 PA/HR

And based on his 2017 Strike out rate, Stewart would have to get over 800 Plate Appearances to strike out 200 times.

Why is it so many are reluctant to give a kid a chance? I am not saying he will have a season like Judge.

last 3 year full minor season stretch

R. Howard (through 24) .292 BAVG .374 OBP .537 SLG .911 OPS 19.1 PA/HR
C. Stewart (through 23) .262 BAVG .363 OBP .508 SLG .871 OPS 20.6 PA/HR
D. Travis (through 23) .323 BAVG .388 OBP .478 SLG .867 OPS 43.2 PA/HR

A. Judge (through 24) .261 BAVG .345 OBP .465 SLG .810 OPS 24.4 PA/HR

M. Joyce (through 23) .260 BAVG .339 OBP .455 SLG .794 OPS 31.0 PA/HR
S. Moya (through 24) .266 BAVG .299 OBP .492 SLG .791 OPS 19.9 PA/HR
T. Collins (through 24) .264 BAVG .343 OBP .430 SLG .773 OPS 34.7 PA/HR
A. Dirks (through 24) .287 BAVG .349 OBP .416 SLG .764 OPS 52.4 PA/HR

J. McCann (through 24) .271 BAVG .318 OBP .383 SLG .701 OPS 79.6 PA/HR

Compare Stewart's last 3 years with any other player's last 3 years through 23 or 24, and they compare at the extreme high end. Yes, he is a liability on defense. But in LF, or maybe even eventually 1B, that liability is negligible compared to the offense he could provide.

He won't hit more than say .250, but his OBP should be about 100 points higher than his BAVG. There is no reason to not believe he hits at least 30 HRs on a regular basis. Again, Adam Dunn is a fair comparison and that isn't a knock on him at all.
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Old 11-14-2017, 07:50 AM   #34
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18m, that's hard to say no thanks. I don't see him being cut but anything is possible.
Which is why I see them giving him a chance to hit. In the eyes of Chris Illitch, if Victor can hit .250 with a little power, they may be able to trade him and get a team to take on a small portion of his salary. We are not in win mode this season so don't expect any logical decisions to be made. It's clear they are in save money mode, so if there is any chance of recouping even a fraction of that 18m, I see them going for it.
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Old 11-14-2017, 08:07 AM   #35
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Which is why I see them giving him a chance to hit. In the eyes of Chris Illitch, if Victor can hit .250 with a little power, they may be able to trade him and get a team to take on a small portion of his salary. We are not in win mode this season so don't expect any logical decisions to be made. It's clear they are in save money mode, so if there is any chance of recouping even a fraction of that 18m, I see them going for it.
that is certainly one way to look at it. He would have to start red hot for a team to even consider him given his past season.
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Old 11-16-2017, 02:26 PM   #36
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Angles showing some interest in Kinsler?

http://www.espn.com/blog/mlb/rumors/...rs-ian-kinsler
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