tycobb420 said:

1996 was a worse team than 2003. There were vets on that team wheras 2003 was a minor league roster. That '96 team took the field down 5-0. 1996 has a team 6.38 ERA and 22 total saves. 2003 was a full run better. 2003 was actually more competitive even though they lost 10 more games. In 1998, Smith decided to get rid of guys that struck out too much and dumped Fryman, Nieves, Hamlin, Nevin, among others. Guys that had decent 1997 seasons (albeit they sucked after save Fryman). Pitching in 1998 was not as good as 1997 either.

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Excuse me if I don't buy what you are selling.

Average Batter Age

1996 = 27.0
2003 = 27.2

Average Pitcher Age

1996 = 26.7
2003 = 25.3

The difference was in the pitching ages.

Pythagorean Record

1996 = 56-106
2003 = 49-113

Run Difference

1996 = 783 - 1103 (- 320)
2003 = 591 - 928 (- 337)

Team Payroll

2000 = $59.65 MIL
1999 = $36.69 MIL
1998 = $24.27 MIL
1997 = $17.27 MIL

Salary dump?

McClendon is also reportedly a potential candidate in Seattle, where he was a finalist for the Mariners opening the last time around before they hired Eric Wedge.

Please oh PLEASE take him away from us, seattle.

biggunsbob said:

I for one can't wait to see how the next manager will manage the bullpen because that 8th inning in game two was a debacle even for Leyland lovers.. Oh I know
its all the players fault and the manager has nothing to do with who comes in and when..

Jim has even said that the Tigers let the Boston series get away and this one hurts the most... Yes players failed to execute but by god that 8th inning should have been managed different.. I really like Jim and wanted him to win as badly as anyone. But he just could not finish the deal.. It's not all on him either DD gets some of the 2013 blame, Players fading again down the stretch get some blame also.. But managers have to put their players in at the right times to give his team the best chance to win.. I bet Jim even wants that 8th inning back...

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Thumb said:

Oh Jesus christ he's gone already....how long are we going to beat the dead game 2 horse and stick to calling people "Leyland lovers".

Seriously, you got your wish, now let's get over it.

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Thumb is right. Leave it be. Plus, just to say it one last time so you might understand: You don't throw a first pitch meatball to a power hitter with bases loaded. Leyland didn't throw the ball.

Rebbiv said:

Excuse me if I don't buy what you are selling.

Average Batter Age

1996 = 27.0
2003 = 27.2

Average Pitcher Age

1996 = 26.7
2003 = 25.3

The difference was in the pitching ages.

Pythagorean Record

1996 = 56-106
2003 = 49-113

Run Difference

1996 = 783 - 1103 (- 320)
2003 = 591 - 928 (- 337)

Team Payroll

2000 = $59.65 MIL
1999 = $36.69 MIL
1998 = $24.27 MIL
1997 = $17.27 MIL

Salary dump?

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I have such a raging hard on for sports statistics and facts. That is why along with KC you are my favorite poster. No I did not just hit on you.

http://beta.thescore.com/news/331391
Tigers interested in Dodgers 3B coach Tim Wallach for manager's job.

Wallach could be a candidate for the Tigers? opening; he played for Tigers GM Dave Dombrowski in Montreal from 1988 to '91. Maybe the mere threat of losing Wallach would force the Dodgers? hand.

I don't know a whole lot about Wallach, tbh. Whats he like?

Wallach is well respected baseball guy but has no experience.

A name no one is talking about is Tom Runnells.

At the end of the day, I think it is going to Brookens or Tony Pena

Rebbiv said:

Excuse me if I don't buy what you are selling.

Average Batter Age

1996 = 27.0
2003 = 27.2

Average Pitcher Age

1996 = 26.7
2003 = 25.3

The difference was in the pitching ages.

Pythagorean Record

1996 = 56-106
2003 = 49-113

Run Difference

1996 = 783 - 1103 (- 320)
2003 = 591 - 928 (- 337)

Team Payroll

2000 = $59.65 MIL
1999 = $36.69 MIL
1998 = $24.27 MIL
1997 = $17.27 MIL

Salary dump?

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8 of the top 10 salaries from 1997 were gone in 1998. You need to look beyond the numbers. Stats sometimes lie.

Pythagorean is not a real stat.

Pitchers that pitched in 30 innings or more averaged 25 in 2003 and 27 in 1996. That is a huge difference. Overall, you are correct, but were the pitching is concerned, and that is the most important. Therefore, I was correct in my initial post.

I looked over the boxscores for each team. The 1996 fell behind by 1 run or more 79 times in the first three innings of their games. Of this, they were behind by 1 run only 24 times. They were being blown out. The 2003 team fell behind 74 times, but by one run 34 times. As a result, the 2003 team was in their games more often that the 1996 team.

Also, the 2003 team was 19-18 in one run games and was blown out 40 times.

The 1996 team was blown out 47 times and was 12-21 in one run games.

http://motorcitybengals.com/2013/10/26/detroit-tigers-managerial-candidate-tom-brookens/
Detroit Tigers Managerial Candidate: Tom Brookens.
from mcb-tb

http://www.blessyouboys.com/2013/10...gers-managerial-radar-red-sox-bench-coach-mlb
Red Sox bench coach Torey Lovullo on Tigers' managerial radar.
from bybtb

Llegendary Lloyd is reportedly going to be interviewed for the Mariners managerial position. I hope that he is picked and takes some of the rest of Leyland's former coaching crew with him. Then he and Lamont can sit in the Seattle dugout and guess at which (wrong) buttons they can push...