UMRules06 said:

It's a rivalry....why would you not expect us to compare ourselves with MSU and vice versa? It happens all the time in football as well. I've lost count with how many times I've heard "MSU has won 5 of the last 6 in football against Michigan!!" That's perfectly fine, MSU fans should be proud of their teams. We do the same stuff when the trend is in our favor. I'm sure you were sick of hearing "MSU hasn't won in the Big House since 1990 lol!!"

Michigan fans do it, MSU fans do it. It's a rivalry. Don't act like your fanbase doesn't behave the exact same way if not worse. You are on this board almost every single day and you are a diehard Spartan fan. What is that supposed to tell us?

As far as yesterday goes, it was very apparent before the game that Michigan would be in trouble, especially given the way MSU is currently rolling. MSU has strengths that take advantage of Michigan's weaknesses there's no denying that. Michigan also was not on their game whatsoever due to tired legs and not being able to hit their jump shots. MSU plays a style more suited to the third game in three days scenario, and it worked in their favor.

The basketball programs are fairly even right now in my estimation. Michigan took 2 of 3, with both teams having "gripes" about why their team lost each particular game. Let's move on shall we?

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Sbee said:

It's obvious what's going on here, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this out. You were upset all year hearing about MSU injuries, I'm sure you loved reading Bacari's tweets and you fumed when Bilas and Vitale talked about how we could be the best team in the country if we were healthy. Hey, this is our year, we're leading the big ten, why aren't they talking about us?

Well, yesterday did happen. You guys had a shot to earn a #1 seed which would have been big for the program, you got a chance to prove that you were the better team against a fully healthy MSU squad and you got punked. outside of a few 3's early you were never really in the game, MSU just imposed their will and you guys had no response. That has to hurt, especially since you measure your entire program against us, it's all about you record against MSU in your predefined number of games (I guess it's 9 now).

Just be happy, you guys are a good team, you had a good year. MSU had some really shitty luck, somebody was going to benefit from it. You may have had the best record in the big ten but I think deep down you know that our team is better and that hurts. Sometimes we don't like to admit the role that luck has in our success.

If you didn't always compare yourselves to us, you'd just be happy with the good fortune and good season you had.

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Sbee said:

of course rivalries matter, beating UM yesterday was a lot more fun than beating OSU. I don't like to pull up arbitrary time periods, it's a weak argument, the 5 of 6 in football included.

as for the gripes, do you think MSU was hitting jump shots yesterday? we shot 12% from 3 yesterday, you guys shot 26%. Both Michigan and MSU shoot 39% from the 3 on the year. I don't know if I see that as a legitimate gripe, we both played 3 straight games. It's not our fault the you couldn't generate any other offense if the jumpers weren't falling.

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Sbee said:

I'm not saying that Michigan isn't a good program, they have a good coach and he's doing great things there.

I also didn't say anything that wasn't true

you guys had a chance at a one seed

you were sick of hearing about MSU injuries

you had a chance to prove that you were better than a healthy MSU team

you got punked

the game was never really close after the first few minutes

feel free to dispute something that isn't true

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UMRules06 said:

MSU shot poorly too, but like I said you guys have a better inside game and it's not debatable which is why you won. We didn't have Mitch McGary....he's pretty good and helps out with all the areas we needed help with yesterday (rebounding and inside play). We had to play Max Bielfeldt for more than 10 seconds... it wasn't just the jump shooting.

That being said, I gave full credit to MSU after the win and I still do.

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dubbsco said:

And State absolutely punked Michigan last year, and Michigan went to the National Title game. What exactly are we arguing about here?

State CLEARLY wanted this game more. If not for the fear of losing three straight games, but to get that extra motivation to gel. Even Stauskas said the motivation was not as strong on the Michigan sideline. Maybe he's making excuses (I doubt it, he seems honest about that), but you could tell MSU wanted it more.

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deathroh said:

The point is we're not wrapped up in the things you "think" (I know this is just a reverse role playing situation, unsurprisingly you're pretty good at it) we're wrapped up in. But yeah, most of those are true. So what? As I alluded to earlier, we're secure in UM's standing among college basketball's elite. One game won't hurt our feelings.

The injury thing isn't true at all though. It was kind of funny listening to Izzo cry like a bitch all year.

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gotime909 said:

We'd gladly trade you Russell Byrd for Max Bielfeldt lol

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deathroh said:

The point is we're not wrapped up in the things you "think" (I know this is just a reverse role playing situation, unsurprisingly you're pretty good at it) we're wrapped up in. But yeah, most of those are true. So what? As I alluded to earlier, we're secure in UM's standing among college basketball's elite. One game won't hurt our feelings.

The injury thing isn't true at all though. It was kind of funny listening to Izzo cry like a bitch all year.

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gotime909 said:

I'm not throwing a spoon in the pot to stir more, but what do you mean by "college basketball's elite"?

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Sbee said:

The injury thing as you call it was acknowledged by all the broadcasters and analysts, along with a bunch of rational Michigan fans like monster and michlady. Hell, all 5 espn analyst said we were the best team in the country if healthy. They all picked us to win the nc.

Its just denied by some homer Michigan fans like Vic, deathroh, and hungry. I wonder why? ??

I've always had a thing for taking on the unwinnable argument. I argue with republicans about evolution and climate change too.

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biggunsbob said:

Yup non-stop Sparty love on radio and tv maybe what the doctor ordered...
Now everyone around the country will hate Msu and IZZO and his whiny brand...

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dubbsco said:

And that somehow means that you are the best team, having all the experts pick MSU to win the national title? Michigan was an afterthought to the majority of experts last season.

Ahh, the Big Ten Tournament, the very same that your Tom Izzo has constantly claimed is essentially meaningless. And do you think playing for a 1 seed is that damn important vs a high 2? Michigan may have wanted it, but MSU clearly wanted it more, judging from the amount of loose balls they went for, and the overall hustle that was on display.

Again, what are we arguing about? Do you want Michigan fans on here to admit MSU is a superior team/program? What's the point of all this?

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gotime909 said:

I'm not throwing a spoon in the pot to stir more, but what do you mean by "college basketball's elite"?

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Sbee said:

The injury thing as you call it was acknowledged by all the broadcasters and analysts, along with a bunch of rational Michigan fans like monster and michlady. Hell, all 5 espn analyst said we were the best team in the country if healthy. They all picked us to win the nc.

Its just denied by some homer Michigan fans like Vic, deathroh, and hungry. I wonder why? ??

I've always had a thing for taking on the unwinnable argument. I argue with republicans about evolution and climate change too.

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