Sbee said:

+12 in pythagorean wins. baserunning was terrible, but it was terrible under Leyland largely due to the way the roster was constructed. the bottom two baserunners have been on this team for a long time and dragged us down in that area, of course they have been excellent middle of the order hitters as well. It's hard to get a lot better at baserunning without sacrificing in other areas.

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byco42 said:

So MLB-caliber players who are bad baserunners are incapable of improving this skill? And it's going to "affect" ... what, exactly?

Did you watch BOS-CLE last night?

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tomdalton22 said:

The Tigers two worst baserunners are Miggy and V-Mart and they are the two players that are on base most often. Together they have 16,224 plate appearances. These two are not going to improve their skills, they are most likely going to get worse due to age.

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byco42 said:

I do not think they are the worst baserunners. They are the slowest baserunners.

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tomdalton22 said:

I must have misinterpreted your post.

UBR (Ultimate Base Running), MIN 150 PA: (6 =outstanding, 0=average, -1.5 below average)

MLB Leader is Jose Ramirez @ 6.9

Tigers Spd UBR (runs)
Jose Iglesias 3.6 2.6
Ian Kinsler 5.8 2.4
C. Maybin 6.9 2
Justin Upton 4.2 1.8
Andrew Romine 7.3 1
Tyler Collins 4.6 0.3
Mike Aviles 4.3 0.3
Jarrod Salt 2.1 -0.5
J.D. Martinez 2.7 -1.7
James McCann 1.9 -1.8
Nick Castellanos 3.6 -3
Miguel Cabrera 1.3 -6.6
Victor Martinez 0.8 -9.2

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byco42 said:

I'd consider Romine, Maybin, Castellanos and J.D. Martinez as the inferior baserunners based on these metrics. VM just can't run. I've not known Miguel to make bad decisions on the basepaths.

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Sbee said:

Miguel is horrible on the bases, thinks he's crafty and tries to take an extra base, he runs into a ton of outs and he always has a good hitter behind him.

I don't think you're going to be average or better in baserunning with those two in the lineup every day. Of course you gain a lot in other offensive categories, though victor is diminishing quite a bit. It's hard to find guys that deliver that kind of run production and are also good baserunners, there isn't a mike trout on every roster.

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