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Plan B?

Here we go, even know it's going up crazy the cap for the NHL is only 73m. Looks like that's going to be my go to sport. It's funny I'm about the same age my dad was when he went cold Turkey on sports and because of the money.

fk you MLB, and fk you NFL.
 
And with the cap going up for the next few years, and beyond - the money is way past ridiculous. 40m a year, 50m a year. I might just root for the team with the lowest payroll.

Watching the Celtics tonight during cigar night, and the ticker at the bottom of the screen said this center for Sacramento demarcus cousins has a 5 year $207 Million offer? That's $41.4 Million a year and he is considered a slight head case by some in the NBA!
 
Watching the Celtics tonight during cigar night, and the ticker at the bottom of the screen said this center for Sacramento demarcus cousins has a 5 year $207 Million offer? That's $41.4 Million a year and he is considered a slight head case by some in the NBA!

It's crazy. Maybe I'm overeating but it's getting to me on how much players make these days..
 
In 1980, Nolan Ryan was the first ballplayer to make $1 Mil. That salary quadrupled his previous. 4 years = $4 Mil

1970 $135,000 Willie Mays (SF NL)
1971 $167,000 Carl Yastrzemski (Bos AL)
1972 $167,000 Carl Yastrzemski (Bos AL)
1973 $200,000 Dick Allen (Chi AL)
1974 $250,000 Dick Allen (Chi AL)
1975 $240,000 Hank Aaron (Mil AL)
1976 $240,000 Hank Aaron (Mil AL)
1977 $560,000 Mike Schmidt (Ph NL)
1978 $560,000 Mike Schmidt (Ph NL)
1979 $800,000 Rod Carew (Cal AL)
1980 $1,000,000 Nolan Ryan (Hou NL)
1981 $1,400,000 Dave Winfield (NY AL)
1982 $1,500,000 Mike Schmidt (Ph NL)
1983 $1,652,333 Mike Schmidt (Ph NL)
1984 $1,989,875 Mike Schmidt (Ph NL)
1985 $2,096,967 Mike Schmidt (Ph NL)
1986 $1,964,423 Jim Rice (Bos AL)
1987 $2,412,500 Jim Rice (Bos AL)
1988 $2,340,000 Ozzie Smith (StL NL)
1989 $2,766,667 Orel Hershiser (LA NL)
Frank Viola (Min/NY AL/NL)
1990 $3,200,000 Robin Yount (Mil AL)
1991 $3,800,000 Darryl Stawberry (LA NL)
1992 $6,100,000 Bobby Bonilla (NY NL)
1993 $6,200,000 Bobby Bonilla (NY NL)
1994 $6,300,000 Bobby Bonilla (NY NL)
1995 $9,237,500 Cecil Fielder (Det AL)
1996 $9,237,500 Cecil Fielder (Det AL)
1997 $10,000,000 Albert Belle (Chi AL)
1998 $14,936,667 Gary Sheffield (Fla/LA NL)
1999 $11,949,794 Albert Belle (Bal AL)
2000 $15,714,286 Kevin Brown (LA NL)
2001 $22,000,000 Alex Rodriguez (Tex AL)
2002 $22,000,000 Alex Rodriguez (Tex AL)
2003 $22,000,000 Alex Rodriguez (Tex AL)
2004 $21,726,881 Alex Rodriguez (NY AL)
2005 $26,000,000 Alex Rodriguez (NY AL)
2006 $21,680,727 Alex Rodriguez (NY AL)
2007 $23,428,571 Jason Giambi (NY AL)
2008 $28,000,000 Alex Rodriguez (NY AL)
2009 $33,000,000 Alex Rodriguez (NY AL)
2010 $33,000,000 Alex Rodriguez (NY AL)
2011 $32,000,000 Alex Rodriguez (NY AL)
2012 $30,000,000 Alex Rodriguez (NY AL)
2013 $29,000,000 Alex Rodriguez (NY AL)
2014 $26,000,000 Zach Greinke (LAD NL)
2015 $32,571,000 Clayton Kershaw (LAD NL)

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/mlb/salaries/

Contract salaries had been tripling on average once every 8 years until 2012. I doubt seriously if Verlander ever makes $30 Mil in a season. Relative to other big name pitchers, his $28 Mil is not out of line. Same with Cabrera. The best hitter in baseball was not even in the top 10 in salaries for 2015. He jumped up to #3 in 2016, only because of the incentives that kicked in.

Now that said, the payroll issue with DET isn't about signing Cabrera or Verlander to their contracts. It isn't even about Zimmermann. Any team in baseball, if they had the chance and the money, would have given them like contracts. Cabrera's and Verlander's merchandising value alone is worth their contracts, at least so far.

No other team was going to pay Mike Pelfrey $8 Mil a season, let alone two. Same with Mark Lowe. DET was outbidding themselves for Upton's service. DET probably "overpaid" for an aging Victor Martinez.

DET's 2014 Rotation and what they made in 2016

$30.0 Mil D. Price (7 yrs/$217 Mil = $31 Mil avg)
$28.0 Mil J. Verlander (10 yrs/$219.5 Mil = $22 Mil avg)
$22.1 Mil M. Scherzer (7 yrs/$210 Mil = $30 Mil avg)
$20.1 Mil R. Porcello (4 yrs/$82.5 Mil = $20.6 Mil avg)
$16.8 Mil A. Sanchez (5 yrs/$80 Mil = $16 Mil avg)

Total = $117 Mil
 
Contract salaries had been tripling on average once every 8 years until 2012. I doubt seriously if Verlander ever makes $30 Mil in a season. Relative to other big name pitchers, his $28 Mil is not out of line. Same with Cabrera. The best hitter in baseball was not even in the top 10 in salaries for 2015. He jumped up to #3 in 2016, only because of the incentives that kicked in.

Now that said, the payroll issue with DET isn't about signing Cabrera or Verlander to their contracts. It isn't even about Zimmermann. Any team in baseball, if they had the chance and the money, would have given them like contracts. Cabrera's and Verlander's merchandising value alone is worth their contracts, at least so far.

No other team was going to pay Mike Pelfrey $8 Mil a season, let alone two. Same with Mark Lowe. DET was outbidding themselves for Upton's service. DET probably "overpaid" for an aging Victor Martinez.

DET's 2014 Rotation and what they made in 2016

$30.0 Mil D. Price (7 yrs/$217 Mil = $31 Mil avg)
$28.0 Mil J. Verlander (10 yrs/$219.5 Mil = $22 Mil avg)
$22.1 Mil M. Scherzer (7 yrs/$210 Mil = $30 Mil avg)
$20.1 Mil R. Porcello (4 yrs/$82.5 Mil = $20.6 Mil avg)
$16.8 Mil A. Sanchez (5 yrs/$80 Mil = $16 Mil avg)

Total = $117 Mil

4 Cy Young winners (5 total Cy Young awards)...not a bad rotation!

Where did you come up with your merchandise figures? I have looked into it several times and can never come up with anything. Maybe I'm looking in the wrong places.
 
In 1980, Nolan Ryan was the first ballplayer to make $1 Mil. That salary quadrupled his previous. 4 years = $4 Mil

1970 $135,000 Willie Mays (SF NL)
1971 $167,000 Carl Yastrzemski (Bos AL)
1972 $167,000 Carl Yastrzemski (Bos AL)
1973 $200,000 Dick Allen (Chi AL)
1974 $250,000 Dick Allen (Chi AL)
1975 $240,000 Hank Aaron (Mil AL)
1976 $240,000 Hank Aaron (Mil AL)
1977 $560,000 Mike Schmidt (Ph NL)
1978 $560,000 Mike Schmidt (Ph NL)
1979 $800,000 Rod Carew (Cal AL)
1980 $1,000,000 Nolan Ryan (Hou NL)
1981 $1,400,000 Dave Winfield (NY AL)
1982 $1,500,000 Mike Schmidt (Ph NL)
1983 $1,652,333 Mike Schmidt (Ph NL)
1984 $1,989,875 Mike Schmidt (Ph NL)
1985 $2,096,967 Mike Schmidt (Ph NL)
1986 $1,964,423 Jim Rice (Bos AL)
1987 $2,412,500 Jim Rice (Bos AL)
1988 $2,340,000 Ozzie Smith (StL NL)
1989 $2,766,667 Orel Hershiser (LA NL)
Frank Viola (Min/NY AL/NL)
1990 $3,200,000 Robin Yount (Mil AL)
1991 $3,800,000 Darryl Stawberry (LA NL)
1992 $6,100,000 Bobby Bonilla (NY NL)
1993 $6,200,000 Bobby Bonilla (NY NL)
1994 $6,300,000 Bobby Bonilla (NY NL)
1995 $9,237,500 Cecil Fielder (Det AL)
1996 $9,237,500 Cecil Fielder (Det AL)
1997 $10,000,000 Albert Belle (Chi AL)
1998 $14,936,667 Gary Sheffield (Fla/LA NL)
1999 $11,949,794 Albert Belle (Bal AL)
2000 $15,714,286 Kevin Brown (LA NL)
2001 $22,000,000 Alex Rodriguez (Tex AL)
2002 $22,000,000 Alex Rodriguez (Tex AL)
2003 $22,000,000 Alex Rodriguez (Tex AL)
2004 $21,726,881 Alex Rodriguez (NY AL)
2005 $26,000,000 Alex Rodriguez (NY AL)
2006 $21,680,727 Alex Rodriguez (NY AL)
2007 $23,428,571 Jason Giambi (NY AL)
2008 $28,000,000 Alex Rodriguez (NY AL)
2009 $33,000,000 Alex Rodriguez (NY AL)
2010 $33,000,000 Alex Rodriguez (NY AL)
2011 $32,000,000 Alex Rodriguez (NY AL)
2012 $30,000,000 Alex Rodriguez (NY AL)
2013 $29,000,000 Alex Rodriguez (NY AL)
2014 $26,000,000 Zach Greinke (LAD NL)
2015 $32,571,000 Clayton Kershaw (LAD NL)

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/mlb/salaries/

Contract salaries had been tripling on average once every 8 years until 2012. I doubt seriously if Verlander ever makes $30 Mil in a season. Relative to other big name pitchers, his $28 Mil is not out of line. Same with Cabrera. The best hitter in baseball was not even in the top 10 in salaries for 2015. He jumped up to #3 in 2016, only because of the incentives that kicked in.

Now that said, the payroll issue with DET isn't about signing Cabrera or Verlander to their contracts. It isn't even about Zimmermann. Any team in baseball, if they had the chance and the money, would have given them like contracts. Cabrera's and Verlander's merchandising value alone is worth their contracts, at least so far.

No other team was going to pay Mike Pelfrey $8 Mil a season, let alone two. Same with Mark Lowe. DET was outbidding themselves for Upton's service. DET probably "overpaid" for an aging Victor Martinez.

DET's 2014 Rotation and what they made in 2016

$30.0 Mil D. Price (7 yrs/$217 Mil = $31 Mil avg)
$28.0 Mil J. Verlander (10 yrs/$219.5 Mil = $22 Mil avg)
$22.1 Mil M. Scherzer (7 yrs/$210 Mil = $30 Mil avg)
$20.1 Mil R. Porcello (4 yrs/$82.5 Mil = $20.6 Mil avg)
$16.8 Mil A. Sanchez (5 yrs/$80 Mil = $16 Mil avg)

Total = $117 Mil

Verlander might never make 30m, and weather Miggy is worth his wasn't really my point. It's the new CBA where soft caps are rising, and eventually - Trout comes to mind, will make 40m. And it'll keep going up. It's ridiculous.

I remember TB, who had a good streak, 2008-2013 and a world series appearance to boot. Now all that different than our stretch. But spending much less money. You don't need to spend 200m to win. I would like the Tigers, in a few years when the big ones retire, to go low and stay low. Sign smart, not expensive.
 
Verlander might never make 30m, and weather Miggy is worth his wasn't really my point. It's the new CBA where soft caps are rising, and eventually - Trout comes to mind, will make 40m. And it'll keep going up. It's ridiculous.

I remember TB, who had a good streak, 2008-2013 and a world series appearance to boot. Now all that different than our stretch. But spending much less money. You don't need to spend 200m to win. I would like the Tigers, in a few years when the big ones retire, to go low and stay low. Sign smart, not expensive.

I am not disagreeing with that mindset. You could also use KC as an example. Even STL has had a very successful 15-20 years, without breaking the bank.

My point was about value contracts and what you get. We can all remember the Carl Crawford or Mike Hampton contracts. But not all big salary contracts (either length or amount) are all bad. So the general paint brush isn't the same. Miguel Cabrera's $30 Mil probably doesn't mean as much to another team than it does to DET, especially if he keeps putting up HoF numbers.

DET fans have to emotional interest in Upton. He has yet to endear himself to the fans. He did not start 2016 off very well. He would have to have a Herculean 2017 to overcome 2016 impression and the thought he has a bad contract.

People were scoffing about Rick Porcello after 2015. Now, not too many are still scoffing. But had 2016 not been great, just typical Porcello, people would still be scoffing.

Relative to the rest of baseball, $40 Mil will one day soon be the measure. Trout or Harper might still be making $40 Mil when other start making $50 Mil. Then the question will be is there value in paying someone $50 Mil. I will argue it is, if a team has a history with said player and that player is providing HoF numbers (either recently, or projected in the future). Personally, I am not a fan of signing another team's star, unless that player would be the final piece to the puzzle.
 
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