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Time to Rebuild

Rebbiv

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http://www.espn.com/blog/sweetspot/...o-rebuild-who-must-ditch-dreams-of-contending

Think about the warning signs for a team in decline:
1. Age
2. Lack of depth
3. Poor minor league system
4. Financial resources tied up or limited

These four issues have been blaring down on the Detroit Tigers like a 200-watt bulb for a few years now. They made four straight playoff appearances from 2011 to 2014 but missed the playoffs the past two seasons despite running one of the highest payrolls in the game. General manager Al Avila, who took over late in 2015, indicated at the start of the offseason that the Tigers needed to do some rebuilding, but the weak state of the AL Central instead has left them stuck in some freshly poured concrete with the same roster.

Their four best hitters in 2016 were Miguel Cabrera (age 33), J.D. Martinez (28, but a free agent after 2017), Ian Kinsler (34) and Victor Martinez (37). That group has aged well but is another year older. Free agents Justin Upton and Jordan Zimmermann had disappointing years. The rotation is shaky behind Justin Verlander and Michael Fulmer.

The long-term issue is that the Tigers already carry an inflexible payroll. Cabrera is signed through at least 2023; Upton makes $22 million a year through 2022; Zimmermann is owed another $92 million through 2020; Verlander is signed through 2019. The only big salary coming off the books will be Anibal Sanchez after 2017.

Meanwhile, the farm system hasn't produced a quality regular since Rick Porcello in 2009. (Nick Castellanos isn't there yet.) It is showing more potential than it has in years -- although still ranked just No. 24 overall by Keith Law.

The weird thing about the Detroit offseason, however, isn't that they decided to avoid a rebuild, but they haven't added anything to improve the team. Why would you expect an older team to improve the following season? Instead, the Tigers still have a gaping hole in center field, a mediocre bullpen, a weak bench and no team speed. Sure, Upton and Zimmermann could have better seasons, and maybe Daniel Norris or Matt Boyd emerges, but I don't see a 90-win team here.
 
4. Financial resources tied up or limited
Add to this & age length of some contracts. Although their 2018 contracts are 138,125,000. That could let them to sign J.D. to back end type contract then. Fielder's 6 mlll dead money comes off in 2021. Eleven more in 2018 should AS be bought out. So J.D. Could be had and stay under the lux tax.

How ever IMO they should have gone all in this season with a one year contract to Matt Wieters and a center fielder.

In truth it all depends on how well they pitch. And IMO there BP is questionable. Let alone two of bad starters, which one of them might need to be put in the pen.
This team might have to go with 13 pitchers to cover up for all the bad pitchers on the staff! Like that going to happen. Really that how bad this team put together IMO.
 
DET has $143 Mil tied to just 6 players for 2018. The projections for their arbitration eligible players is another $31.4 Mil. Without considering options, they are at $177 Mil for just 15 players in 2018. $182 Mil if you pick up Kinsler's option. That's 16 players at $182 Mil. Luxury Tax is computed for the final 40-man roster. No matter how you slice it, they are going to be over the $197 Mil threshold and at present are going to be about $203 Mil for just the 25-man roster. That is without J.D., Pelfrey, Sanchez, Lowe, K-Rod and Avila.

There is no way DET can afford resigning J.D. and stay under the Luxury Tax threshold. Too many high end contracts would have to be moved first, then what would be the point of resigning J.D.?
 
It's more like 8 players at 149,that includes Fielder.
Tigers have a 5 million buy out option on Anibal Sanchez rhp
5 years/$80M (2013-17), plus 2018 option
•5 years/$80M (2013-17), plus 2018 club option •re-signed by Detroit as a free agent 12/14/12
•$4M signing bonus
•13:$8M, 14:$15M, 15:$16M, 16:$16M, 17:$16M, 18:$16M club option ($5M buyout)

"Cot's Baseball Contracts"

That's a 11 million difference, and of course they are paying 6 Mill's for Fielder as well. And they will have unless trades or some un for seen injury TEN arbi's to deal with. A back end contract could be worked out. But that's is part of there problem now too many contract with more money at the end. another reason they will have trouble moving those age old players.
I've been crying this from the time they signed Cabrera on the 1st contract. They are trying to compete with the Yankees, without the income and farm system.
And the really bad part is like Rebbiv has pointed out they have to put up a team that will get them the best TV contract possible. They are in the hardest rock and a hard spot I can see. And then should Upton opt out that would change a whole bunch of things.
 
Net Income

2007 = $4.6 Mil ($98.5 Mil 40-man payroll) = $103.1 Mil
2008 = -$26.3 Mil ($136.2 Mil 40-man payroll) = $109.9 Mil
2009 = -$29.5 Mil ($139.4 Mil 40-man payroll) = $109.9 Mil
2010 = -$29.1 Mil ($135.9 Mil 40-man payroll) = $106.8 Mil
2011 = $8.4 Mil ($113.2 Mil 40-man payroll) = $121.6 Mil
2012 = -$0.4 Mil ($140.7 Mil 40-man payroll) = $140.3 Mil
2013 = $7.5 Mil ($154.7 Mil 40-man payroll) = $162.2 Mil
2014 = -$20.7 Mil ($173.3 Mil 40-man payroll) = $152.6 Mil
2015 = $11.0 Mil ($164.0 Mil 40-man payroll) = $175.0 Mil
2016 = -$36.8 Mil ($212.0 Mil 40-man payroll) = $175.2 Mil
2017 = due to be over -$40 Mil

The vast majority of the MLB teams average $30 Mil or more on the plus side. Currently, roughly $175 Mil is the break even for DET's 40-man payroll. Making the playoffs and how far you advance has an effect on net income. In the 4 years DET made the playoffs from above, they only averaged -$1.3 Mil loss. In all the other years, they averaged -$24.3 Mil. So making the playoffs adds roughly $20 Mil to the income. Additional, if they had won the world series.

Keep in mind, all while they were not making money, they were neglecting their infrastructure, which includes player development. Illitch wasn't "eating" those loses. He just wasn't spending in other areas of the franchise. He didn't get rich by being stupid
 
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