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Ken Starr and Baylor

Michchamp

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not sure if you guys have been following this one, but Baylor has come under fire for covering up for, and continuing to play guys despite all sorts off field issues, mostly sexual assault related.

apparently the inactivity and cover ups can be traced back to Ken "Mr. Impeccable Ethics" Starr who has spent the decades since presiding over the Clinton-Lewinsky investigation sucking at the bloated teat of academic administration, which our own resident Right-wing asshole spartanhack has recently noted is (partly) responsible for driving up the cost of college education for everyone.

now Ken Starr is allegedly being forced out amidst student protests at his house.

side note: Baylor has 34 members of its board of regents? WTF?

ironically administrative bloat is even worse at a private, Texan, conservative, Baptist-affiliated school. also, given those things Baylor is probably the last place you'd expect there to be a backlash against football due to sexual violence against women.
 
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also for those keeping track, I think that now just about every Republican associated with teh Lewinsky scandal and attempted impeachment has gone down with their own ethical scandals... although at least in Starr's case he was only helping to cover them up, not actually out there cheating on his wife, hiring hookers, or molesting kids like SOME people who have been in the news since then...

maybe we need a new rule: if youre attacking someone over personal adult indiscretions - victimless crimes especially - you agree to subject yourself to the same investigation into your past as you are conducting into someone else's.

this doesn't apply to actual corruption, which should be investigated and prosecuted freely, just these sort of bullshit moral, Focus on the Family-lead witchhunts.
 
So you're still trying to pretend that you weren't blaming rising tuition on your entirely debunked bullshit story about cuts to state government funding - Republican cuts to state funding, of course?

Also, at least those Republicans are paying a price for their breaches of ethics. Not so with slick Willy with all his "victimless" crimes. I didn't realize rape, sexual assault and sexual predation were victimless crimes, but I didn't go to a third tier law school - or any law school for that matter, so how would I know. Thanks for enlightening us.
 
So you're still trying to pretend that you weren't blaming rising tuition on your entirely debunked bullshit story about cuts to state government funding - Republican cuts to state funding, of course?

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no you dingbat, I am not blaming rising tuition on cuts to government funding. like I said in that thread, taxpayer-backed student loans, and bankruptcy laws that make student loan debt non-dischargeable are also to blame, and are what lead to the bloat in education spending in the 1st place.
 
update: Baylor just issued a press release announcing they fired head coach Art Briles, demoted Ken Starr (he'll remain a constitutional law prof at their law school-yikes), and disciplined various members of their athletic department.

good for Baylor... wow... christians actually stand up for chrisitian values for once! maybe we could make a new thread about this on the religion board?
 
no you dingbat, I am not blaming rising tuition on cuts to government funding. like I said in that thread, taxpayer-backed student loans, and bankruptcy laws that make student loan debt non-dischargeable are also to blame, and are what lead to the bloat in education spending in the 1st place.

of course you're not - anymore. Like most of your socialist, leftist, retarded myths, it's been roundly disproved so now you're denying you ever said it. you got the tax payer backed, guaranteed gov't loans bit from me - that, along with the artificially low interest rates and obscene salaries of bloated administrations have been my argument for why tuition is out of control since the beginning.
 
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Starr should be fired instead of getting resigned, and Baylor should get the death penalty. But then so should have Penn State.
 
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What exactly did Starr do? I can't find anything linking him to any kind of cover up - just lefties celebrating payback for him investigating their hero in the 90s through what seems to be guilt by association. Does anyone have a link that details what Starr knew and did or didn't do?
 
What exactly did Starr do? I can't find anything linking him to any kind of cover up - just lefties celebrating payback for him investigating their hero in the 90s through what seems to be guilt by association. Does anyone have a link that details what Starr knew and did or didn't do?

Baylor's report is intentionally vague on individual blame; I think the fact that he was forced out shows he deserves some blame for covering-up abuses, stonewalling investigators and intimidating the victims who came forward.

He probably didnt do these things personally, but was either aware they went on or avoided taking any actions on them when he found out.

given that Baylor didnt name names, I don't think any of the firings were unjustified; if they were looking for a fall guy, they wouldve named one or two instead of taking the approach theyve taken.
 
Baylor's report is intentionally vague on individual blame; I think the fact that he was forced out shows he deserves some blame for covering-up abuses, stonewalling investigators and intimidating the victims who came forward.

He probably didnt do these things personally, but was either aware they went on or avoided taking any actions on them when he found out.

given that Baylor didnt name names, I don't think any of the firings were unjustified; if they were looking for a fall guy, they wouldve named one or two instead of taking the approach theyve taken.

That's an interesting rationalization - we're not given any real evidence so it's safe to say he was highly involved and guilty of serious misdeeds. he must be an amazing consititutional law professor given the lengths they're going to in order to plant doubts in peoples' heads yet still retain him on the academic staff.
 
That's an interesting rationalization - we're not given any real evidence so it's safe to say he was highly involved and guilty of serious misdeeds. he must be an amazing consititutional law professor given the lengths they're going to in order to plant doubts in peoples' heads yet still retain him on the academic staff.

where did I say he was "highly involved?"

all I said was everyone getting shitcanned probably bears responsibility, or else neglected their duties. i would be surprised if as president, Ken Starr was actually directing the wrongdoing uncovdred here, but as the top guy, he bears responsibility for it.

they evidently found him culpable enough to force him out. i dont think he's an innocent victim here. why would they force him out if he was?

also i suspect the only reason Baylor didnt name names in their report is that they didnt want to do plaintiffs' attorneys any favors. or maybe Starr, Briles, etc had already lawyered up and insisted there be no public statements of guilt in exchange for them going quietly?
 
I guess only time will tell who is guilty or not but it appears there was a huge cover up at Baylor.
 
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where did I say he was "highly involved?"

here...

Baylor's report is intentionally vague on individual blame; I think the fact that he was forced out shows he deserves some blame for covering-up abuses, stonewalling investigators and intimidating the victims who came forward.

If he did any of those things on your list, I don't think "highly involved" is a mischaracterization of your words.

...they evidently found him culpable enough to force him out. i dont think he's an innocent victim here. why would they force him out if he was?

Why was Tim Wolfe forced out at Mizzou? There's no evidence he is racist or did anything to treat black students differently or unfairly - actually it's probably fair to say he lost his job for not treating black students differently. Innocent people get taken down all the time for, as gulo says, image or saving face or scapegoating, etc.
 
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here...



If he did any of those things on your list, I don't think "highly involved" is a mischaracterization of your words.



Why was Tim Wolfe forced out at Mizzou? There's no evidence he is racist or did anything to treat black students differently or unfairly - actually it's probably fair to say he lost his job for not treating black students differently. Innocent people get taken down all the time for, as gulo says, image or saving face or scapegoating, etc.

it is a mischaracterization of my words.

the Wolfe situation at Mizzou has nothing to do with the Baylor situation. nothing. they have absolutely nothing in common and attempts to compare them are meaningless.
 

I know what you're saying, but I don't know if you understand that Baylor is the school for rich Baptists in Texas.

Ken Starr was not just a hero to the Right in general, he's from a Protestant Texan background. he is THEIR guy.

they would not force Ken Starr out unless he shared some responsibility for the lack of discipline around the football program. It's anyone's guess how involved Starr actually was; at best he was just reading the news reports like everyone else and just sitting on his hands; unfortunately for him, he had a duty to act here, unlike the rest of the public.

at worst he was actively involved in ordering the coverup/intimidating witnesses/shielding players. For the record, I'm not jumping to conclusions on the level of his involvement, just saying as university president, he had a duty to maintain ethical and legal standards of conduct at the school and he failed miserably. He had to have known there were issues; stories of sexual assaults and lack of discipline had been reported for over a year there, maybe longer going back under Briles entire tenure.

this is maybe what idiots like spartanhack dont get: unlike the situation in Missouri, where everyone hated the president and was just looking for a reason to boot him, no one at Baylor wanted this scandal, and they only moved on it when it became clear that the football program was actively preying on their own daughters. the pressure apparently came from the school's board of directors, not the administration.
 
it is a mischaracterization of my words.

the Wolfe situation at Mizzou has nothing to do with the Baylor situation. nothing. they have absolutely nothing in common and attempts to compare them are meaningless.

no, it's not a mischaracterization and the mizzou situation and this one could be similar in that wolfe and Starr may be getting taken down for no good reason. At present, we don't have enough information to say that about Starr but it's pretty clear that Wolfe went down to appease a bunch of entitled spoiled brats.

what morons like you don't understand is your assertions without any factual evidence are pure speculation. Starr could be completely innocent or he could be the guy that ran he cover-up - we dont know. but you are so desperate to hang every person involved with the Clinton investigation and say they're all hypocrites and worse than a serial sexual predator that you jump to conclusions (while claiming you're not jumping to any conclusions) and come running to internet message boards to talk about what bad people they are.
 
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okay so, AS EXPECTED, more is coming out implicating Starr in the scandal... apparently one of the rape victims emailed Starr personally (link) and Starr gave a bunch of weaselly answers, acknowledging he knew about the situation, but trying to later deny it. what a buffoon.
 
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