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Miguel Cabrera Wins the 2013 AL MVP

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Congratulations to Miggy Winning the 2013 AL MVP Award and becoming a back/to/back Two Time MVP with the Tigers.
Miggy with 23 1st Place Votes and 7 2nd Place Votes.
It is the 12th time a Tigers player has been named MVP by the BBWAA.
Previous Tigers winners are: Mickey Cochrane (1934), Hank Greenberg (1935, 1940), Charlie Gehringer (1937), Hal Newhouser (1944, 1945), Denny McLain (1968), Willie Hernandez (1984), Justin Verlander (2011), Miggy (2012).

Miggy once again Won the Hank Aaron Award, and a Silver Slugger Award, along with being named Sporting News and Players Choice Player of the Year. The cherry on top is AL MVP.

Detroit Tigers with 3 straight years of MVP's.

http://bbwaa.com/13-al-mvp/
2013 AL MVP: Miguel Cabrera Goes Back-to-Back.
from BBWAA

http://www.sbnation.com/mlb/2013/11/14/5102522/al-mvp-2013-award-miguel-cabrera
Miguel Cabrera wins 2013 American League MVP Award.
from SBNation

http://www.mlive.com/tigers/index.ssf/2013/11/detroit_tigers_miguel_cabrera_96.html
Detroit Tigers' Miguel Cabrera named AL MVP for second consecutive season.
from Mlive

http://www.foxsportsdetroit.com/mlb...cond-straight-AL-M?blockID=961751&feedID=3706
Miguel Cabrera wins second straight AL MVP.
AP foxsports

http://www.freep.com/article/201311...s-Cabrera-wins-AL-MVP-second-consecutive-year
Tigers' Miguel Cabrera wins American League MVP for second consecutive year.
from the freep

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/...MVP-award?odyssey=mod|breaking|text|FRONTPAGE
Tigers' Miguel Cabrera wins second straight AL MVP award.
from the detnews

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/det...md=20131114&content_id=63924564&vkey=news_det
MiggyVP! Tigers slugger goes back to back.
Trout finishes second to Detroit star in AL balloting for second straight year.
from the Tigers official site

http://wapc.mlb.com/det/play/?c_id=det&content_id=31221631
Webvideo Miggy wins 2013 AL MVP Award.
Take a look at some of the highlights from Tigers slugger Miguel Cabrera's MVP Award-winning 2013 season.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/9967744/celebrating-mvp-winners-miguel-cabrera-andrew-mccutchen
Deserving MVP winners. Miguel Cabrera claims second straight award.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/9977377/miguel-cabrera-detroit-tigers-wins-2013-al-mvp
Cabrera, McCutchen win MVPs.

http://wapc.mlb.com/det/play/?c_id=det&content_id=31221795&topic_id=7417714
Webvideo Miggy wins AL MVP. The Tigers' Miguel Cabrera celebrates with his family and talks to MLB Network about winning the 2013 AL Most Valuable Player.

http://wapc.mlb.com/det/play/?content_id=31221797&team_id=116
Webvideo MLB.com on AL MVP winner. MLB.com's Tim McMaster, Todd Zolecki and C.J. Nitkowski discuss Miguel Cabrera's season that led to his second straight AL MVP Award.

http://www.blessyouboys.com/2013/11/14/5104032/miguel-cabrera-wins-2013-al-most-valuable-player
Back-to-back: Miguel Cabrera wins 2013 AL Most Valuable Player.
from bybtb

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-b...ond-straight-al-mvp-award-232413211--mlb.html
Miguel Cabrera and Andrew McCutchen collect 2013 MVP awards, as expected.
yahoosports

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on...el-cabrera-named-2013-al-most-valuable-player
Tigers' Miguel Cabrera named 2013 AL Most Valuable Player.
from cbssports

http://mlb.si.com/2013/11/14/andrew-mccutchen-miguel-cabrera-mvp-award-mike-trout/
Miguel Cabrera wins 2013 AL MVP award.
from SportsIllustrated

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2...ra-wins-second-straight-al-mvp-award/related/
Miguel Cabrera Wins second straight AL MVP Award.
from nbcsports

http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/p...to-know-miguel-cabrera-mvphttp:/es.pn/1eS9iHw
Top stats to know: Miguel Cabrera MVP.
espn

http://wapc.mlb.com/det/play/?content_id=31221801&team_id=116
Webvideo Beck on Cabrera's MVP Award. MLB.com Tigers reporter Jason Beck discusses Miguel Cabrera winning back-to-back AL MVP Awards.

Miggy: I think this one is special because of all the injuries I go through. ... They're both special, but this one was more tough.

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/post/_/id/9977617/were-cabrera-mccutchen-truly-mvps
Were Cabrera, McCutcheon truly the MVP's? Vote here.
 
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First time since the 1960's that a team has had 3 consecutive MVP's...Yankees of couse.
 
Cabrera became the first player to win two consecutive AL MVPs since Frank Thomas for the White Sox in 1993 and 1994. Albert Pujols won the NL MVP in 2008 and 2009.

Cabrera led the majors in hitting at .348 and took his third AL batting title in a row. The Venezuelan third baseman hit 44 home runs and had 137 RBIs, both second in baseball to Davis.

The 30-year-old Cabrera also topped the majors in on-base percentage and slugging.

Cabrera easily captured the AL MVP last year when he won the Triple Crown while hitting .330 with 44 homers and 139 RBIs.
 
Just wondering what his numbers could have been if not for an injured. Also, its obvious the voters aren't big on Saber-metrics. I know some here are big on that stuff but IMO, each has its own holes. Not different than the easy to see stats I suppose..
 
Mitchrapp said:
Just wondering what his numbers could have been if not for an injured. Also, its obvious the voters aren't big on Saber-metrics. I know some here are big on that stuff but IMO, each has its own holes. Not different than the easy to see stats I suppose..
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Miggy is just too good a hitter. I think people do like sabermetrics but it's hard to argue against a guy who hits for a crazy high average and crazy power. He wins batting titles, home run crowns, rbi titles and leads the league in OBP and slugging. He's a freak.

His numbers definitely suffered from that injury. Crazy to think of what he may have hit in homers and rbi's.
 
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Mitchrapp said:
Just wondering what his numbers could have been if not for an injured. Also, its obvious the voters aren't big on Saber-metrics. I know some here are big on that stuff but IMO, each has its own holes. Not different than the easy to see stats I suppose..
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Not really accurate. Many sabermetrics prove Cabrera has the biggest offensive impact of any hitter in the game. Only a few metrics include defense or base running. Last year being all about WAR was the only argument the people in the Trout camp could make.

I have no doubt plenty of people who voted for Cabrera both last year and this year relied on sabermetric numbers.
 
Also this is why I hate Ken Rosenthal, never shuts his gremlin-looking, little bow tie wearing face during games about how Cabrera is the best hitter on the planet....and then votes for Trout.

Think he ties them a little tight and cuts off the blood supply to his brain.


Congrats Miggy, go get yours in '14 too along with a WS MVP.
 
Keith Law and Brian Kenny are being smarmy pricks about it again, as usual. Law should headbutt an in-use helicopter rotor.
 
Congrats MVP Miguel!!

I have no doubt that he will be in the running for AL MVP again next year, as well as being a Triple Crown threat.
 
I hope Mike Trout as another good season and the Angels miss the playoffs again. Los Angeles tears of Anaheim are fucking delicious.
 
Mitchrapp said:
Just wondering what his numbers could have been if not for an injured. Also, its obvious the voters aren't big on Saber-metrics. I know some here are big on that stuff but IMO, each has its own holes. Not different than the easy to see stats I suppose..
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I consider myself a Sabermetric and I would have vote for Cabrera.

I despise the stat WAR. oWAR isn't too bad and dWAR, by itself, is just an expression of UZR/150, with a positional adjustment. But they give dWAR equal value when determining WAR.

Now the real debate is how much should defense be factored in? WAR uses a 50-50 split. Most new stats try to put itself in context of "replacement" value. Replacement does not mean average, in fact it is below average. So what is wrong with just using plain "average"?

From an offense standpoint, you could look at OPS and/or a linear weight stat. I prefer Runs Created per 650 Plate Appearances as the linear weight stat (expressed as RC/650). Both stats can be generated by a novice (once the formula is known), because the component stats are easily obtained.

Let me walk you through this. The average AL 3B over the last 3 years had an average of 76.51 RC/650 and an OPS of .731. Now 2013 Cabrera had a 154.39 RC/650 and an OPS of 1.078. So how many wins? Well, for RC/650, it is roughly 1 win per 5 runs. In this case, 15.6 wins above average. With OPS, it generally is about 1 win per 25 points, 13.9 wins. oWAR for Cabrera was expressed at 8.9 Wins this year.

Trout had a 140.78 RC/650 and an OPS of .988 (10.0 oWAR). This average CFer is 80.86 RC/650 and .740 OPS. The Wins Above Average = 12.0 for RC/650 and 9.9. So clearly, Cabrera was a 3-4s win better offensive player than Trout, even when comparing their stats with each other. Now how does Trout get a higher oWAR than Cabrera? And we have yet to look at defense.

In 2013, Cabrera had a -1.5 dWAR and Trout had a -0.9 dWAR. The difference of .6 Wins. In 2012, Cabrera had a - 0.2 dWAR and Trout had a +2.1 dWAR. The difference of 1.9 wins. I could stop right here, but I will continue.

I have read many articles about defensive metrics. It is purported that Ozzie Smith, possibly the greatest defensive SS, was just 3-5 Wins above average. Some of the best offensive seasons in history can be 15 wins or more above average. So why are they equal?

So, the average AL CFer in 2013 averaged 2.69 Total Chances per game and .990 FPCT. The average AL 3B in 2013 averaged 2.62 Total Chances and .959 FPCT.

Cabrera = 2.06 Total Chances Per Game and .958 FPCT

Trout = 2.61 (2.48 in 2012) Total Chances Per Game and .996 FPCT

But wait. Pitching staffs have an effect on how many balls are put into play and where. High Strike out staffs, defensive players would have to field less balls. Fly Ball staffs mean more chances to the outfield. Ground ball staffs would impact the infielders. So on and so on.

2013 DET Pitching = 18.2 Total Chances per game, .86 GB/FB Ratio

2013 LAA Pitching = 19.6 Total Chances per game, .74 GB/FB Ratio

2013 AL Average = 19.4 Total Chances per game, .78 GB/FB Ratio

Trout had less Total Chances per game than the average AL CFer in 2013 and that can explain his -0.9 dWAR. However, but what about 2012, when he averaged 2.48 Total Chances per game and the league average was 2.61? And he had a dWAR of +2.1?

So if the average is 404 Total Chances (4 of which were errors), and Trout averaged 392 (2 of which were errors). What other metric are they looking at? And if the average CF has 400 Total Chances a year and a .990 FPCT, what determines wins above average? Again, pitching staffs have an effect.

Put Trout on DET and Cabrera on LAA and see what their defensive values will be.

Bottom line, both Cabrera and Trout are great players. Trout is the better defensive player, but there is no metric that will adequately express that value. Current metrics overvalue defense and put it on par with offense.
 
I used that because all I keep hearing about is the old vs the new and that the Sabermetrics was all about Mike Trout. But honestly have no idea on how many different Sabermetrics categories there are..outside the few obvious ones.
 
Rebbiv said:
I consider myself a Sabermetric and I would have vote for Cabrera.

I despise the stat WAR. oWAR isn't too bad and dWAR, by itself, is just an expression of UZR/150, with a positional adjustment. But they give dWAR equal value when determining WAR.

Now the real debate is how much should defense be factored in? WAR uses a 50-50 split. Most new stats try to put itself in context of "replacement" value. Replacement does not mean average, in fact it is below average. So what is wrong with just using plain "average"?

From an offense standpoint, you could look at OPS and/or a linear weight stat. I prefer Runs Created per 650 Plate Appearances as the linear weight stat (expressed as RC/650). Both stats can be generated by a novice (once the formula is known), because the component stats are easily obtained.

Let me walk you through this. The average AL 3B over the last 3 years had an average of 76.51 RC/650 and an OPS of .731. Now 2013 Cabrera had a 154.39 RC/650 and an OPS of 1.078. So how many wins? Well, for RC/650, it is roughly 1 win per 5 runs. In this case, 15.6 wins above average. With OPS, it generally is about 1 win per 25 points, 13.9 wins. oWAR for Cabrera was expressed at 8.9 Wins this year.

Trout had a 140.78 RC/650 and an OPS of .988 (10.0 oWAR). This average CFer is 80.86 RC/650 and .740 OPS. The Wins Above Average = 12.0 for RC/650 and 9.9. So clearly, Cabrera was a 3-4s win better offensive player than Trout, even when comparing their stats with each other. Now how does Trout get a higher oWAR than Cabrera? And we have yet to look at defense.

In 2013, Cabrera had a -1.5 dWAR and Trout had a -0.9 dWAR. The difference of .6 Wins. In 2012, Cabrera had a - 0.2 dWAR and Trout had a +2.1 dWAR. The difference of 1.9 wins. I could stop right here, but I will continue.

I have read many articles about defensive metrics. It is purported that Ozzie Smith, possibly the greatest defensive SS, was just 3-5 Wins above average. Some of the best offensive seasons in history can be 15 wins or more above average. So why are they equal?

So, the average AL CFer in 2013 averaged 2.69 Total Chances per game and .990 FPCT. The average AL 3B in 2013 averaged 2.62 Total Chances and .959 FPCT.

Cabrera = 2.06 Total Chances Per Game and .958 FPCT

Trout = 2.61 (2.48 in 2012) Total Chances Per Game and .996 FPCT

But wait. Pitching staffs have an effect on how many balls are put into play and where. High Strike out staffs, defensive players would have to field less balls. Fly Ball staffs mean more chances to the outfield. Ground ball staffs would impact the infielders. So on and so on.

2013 DET Pitching = 18.2 Total Chances per game, .86 GB/FB Ratio

2013 LAA Pitching = 19.6 Total Chances per game, .74 GB/FB Ratio

2013 AL Average = 19.4 Total Chances per game, .78 GB/FB Ratio

Trout had less Total Chances per game than the average AL CFer in 2013 and that can explain his -0.9 dWAR. However, but what about 2012, when he averaged 2.48 Total Chances per game and the league average was 2.61? And he had a dWAR of +2.1?

So if the average is 404 Total Chances (4 of which were errors), and Trout averaged 392 (2 of which were errors). What other metric are they looking at? And if the average CF has 400 Total Chances a year and a .990 FPCT, what determines wins above average? Again, pitching staffs have an effect.

Put Trout on DET and Cabrera on LAA and see what their defensive values will be.

Bottom line, both Cabrera and Trout are great players. Trout is the better defensive player, but there is no metric that will adequately express that value. Current metrics overvalue defense and put it on par with offense.
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How do you figure the RC/650?
 
Runs created has changed over the years. I honestly don't know what anyone uses anymore..
 
This formula accounts for all basic, easily available offensive statistics.
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where H is hits, BB is base on balls, CS is caught stealing, HBP is hit by pitch, GIDP is grounded into double play, TB is total bases, IBB is intentional base on balls, SH is sacrifice hit, SF is sacrifice fly, and AB is at bats.
 
Once you have RC (Runs Created), then you normalize for 650 Plate Appearances

>100.00 RC/650 = Elite Hitters

90.00 - 99.99 = All Star Hitters

80.00 - 89.99 = Average to Above Average

70.00 - 79.99 = Below Average, but generally still everyday type players

< 70.00 = Offensive liabilities


The correlation between RC/650 and OPS is there, just RC takes into account negative plays like Caught Stealing and Grounding Into Double Plays.
 
In Linear Weights, each event either increases or decreases the odds of scoring a run, or multiple runs.

.26 is for a walk or HBP (caught stealing is subrated). The hitter is now on 1st base and there is a 26% overall chance that a run will score after this event, regardless of base out.

.52 is for SH, SF or SB. For SH and SF, the hitter is generally out, but the runner advanced at least 1 base. Hence why Stolen Base is included. There is a 52% overall chance that a run will score after these events, regardless of base out.

http://www.tangotiger.net/re24.html
 
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