3rd party positions

[Gulo Blue]

http://www.seattletimes.com/nation-...gary-johnson-here-are-their-policy-positions/

Far from perfect. Very surprised to see the libertarian support a "prebate" that sounds like universal income. "No role for government in education" is very disappointing.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Apparently, the prebate is intended to counteract sales tax jumping to something like 30%. So it's not a basic income. It doesn't cover basic needs as the article states imprecisely; it covers the very high tax on basic needs.

 

[byco42]

Stein needs to remind herself that she lives on Planet Earth.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Stein needs to remind herself that she lives on Planet Earth.

Yeah. Definitely some overreaching there. Pandering to people that deny GMO science is disappointing too.

 

[byco42]

Yeah. Definitely some overreaching there. Pandering to people that deny GMO science is disappointing too.

The $15 minimum wage? Like some 16-year-old kid is worth that?

 

[Gulo Blue]

The $15 minimum wage? Like some 16-year-old kid is worth that?

Abolishing student debt would be a 2008-housing-market-crash-sized hit to the economy.

Regarding $15 minimum wages...yeah, that's too high for the entire nation. I don't have any problem with cities or states setting their own higher minimum wages. If you buy into the ideas for minimum wage at all, I don't see how anyone thinks it shouldn't reflect local conditions.

 

[tomdalton22]

Stein would be a perfect running mate for Bernie Sanders.

 

[tigermud]

Yeah. Definitely some overreaching there. Pandering to people that deny GMO science is disappointing too.

GMO science deniers eh?

have fun ingesting all the glyphosate surely you won't have any gut problems later in life.

 

[Gulo Blue]

GMO science deniers eh?

have fun ingesting all the glyphosate surely you won't have any gut problems later in life.

If you want to work to get glyphosphate out of the industry, I'm on board. But the way to do that is probably more GMO development, not less.

 

[tigermud]

Both candidates support the legalization of marijuana and deplore the War on Drugs.

This is one area I don't trust trump on fully, it's likely he will put jabba in at AG and he is extremely anti marijuana and would triple down on the drug war which is just wrong wrong wrong.

 

[tigermud]

If you want to work to get glyphosphate out of the industry, I'm on board. But the way to do that is probably more GMO development, not less.

Meh it only makes it worse. This is why the time traveler abductions are down, the DNA samples are already tainted in this time period. Our decedents are having a very hard time undoing all the damage.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Meh it only makes it worse.

According to what? Not any scientific study.

 

[tigermud]

According to what? Not any scientific study.

according to the future.

 

[Gulo Blue]

according to the future.

I blame tachyons. They travel backwards in time making minuscule changes like the flapping of butterfly wings. Go back far enough and they eventually disrupt the devepoment of the project that created them.

 

[tigermud]

I blame tachyons. They travel backwards in time making minuscule changes like the flapping of butterfly wings. Go back far enough and they eventually disrupt the devepoment of the project that created them.

They aren't attempting to change the past, their attempting to undo the damage in their own timeline. But yes that's also valid.. what they are returning to may not be our specific timeline, it may not be too late for us to not end up in the same like position within our own ever evolving unwritten line, or at least I hope it's not written yet, for some reason I would find that depressing if it is. Point being continuing to modify Frankenstein attempting to fix the previous unintended consequences probably has more down side than up IMO.

 

[sggatecl]

Stein would be a perfect running mate for Bernie Sanders.

Yeah, in that she makes his ideas seem moderate. She's a wacko.

 

[Thumb]

The $15 minimum wage? Like some 16-year-old kid is worth that?

Now who's being obtuse?

 

[byco42]

Now who's being obtuse?

Actually I'm being crystal clear: "The Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA) requires payment of at least the Federal minimum wage to covered, nonexempt employees. However, a special minimum wage of $4.25 per hour applies to employees under the age of 20 during their first 90 consecutive calendar days of employment with an employer. After 90 days, the Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA) requires employers to pay the full Federal minimum wage."

So, change the numbers and the same question applies.

 

[Thumb]

So it's only 16 year olds who don't deserve $15 an hour?

You're talking about a very complex issue and trying to ultra-simplify it by saying since some 16 year old is not worth it, the idea has no merit at all.

By the way, I'm sure there are more than a few 16 year olds out there who work harder and longer than you or I combined, because they have to.

 

[Gulo Blue]

For perspective, $15 now is like
$10.72 in 2000,
$8.13 in 1990,
$5.13 in 1980
$2.41 in 1970.

$7.25 today is like
$5.18 in 2000,
$3.93 in 1990,
$2.48 in 1980,
$1.17 in 1970.

That doesn't help get perspective for more vs. less expensive parts of the country, but it's worth being aware of. If the people making decisions haven't held a minimum wage job since it was $1 back in 1960, they might think $7.25 is more than it really is. On the other hand, it has kept up with inflation. If sometime between now and 2020 we ramp it up to $11, that would be in line with the relative consistency we've seen since the 80's.