9/11 jet landing gear discovered ~3 blocks from Ground Zero

[turok]

Pretty amazing that a chunk of metal that was measured to be roughly around 5' L x 4' H x 1' D apparently managed to sail that far in the air and then to fall and drop so accurately and precisely into such an extremely narrow and tight gap between two buildings, and then went undiscovered for over a decade in a heavily populated area.

11 Years Later, Debris From Plane Is Found Near Ground Zero

 

[deuces]

Don't forget it also appears that it got tangled in rope at some point also....

 

[zyxt9]

The way they build houses and buildings so tightly together is part of it, but what most don't know is the amount of debris, garbage, and especially construction waste gets thrown into those tight spaces instead of properly disposed. I have junk between my house and neighbors that has zero chance of getting removed until one of the homes gets razed. That image between the buildings is actually relatively clean, and most often those areas are where rats, racoons, squirrels, opposum, and birds create their homes.

I honestly doubt this will be the last piece found. I wouldn't even be surprised if they found bone fragments decades from now in a similarly confined area.

 

[deuces]

zyx....I fully agree with what your saying about trash (typically construction waste) being left between buildings, interior walls and floors, but landing gear isn't exactly your normal "trash" that would just be left behind if anyone happened across it.

 

[Michchamp]

zyx....I fully agree with what your saying about trash (typically construction waste) being left between buildings, interior walls and floors, but landing gear isn't exactly your normal "trash" that would just be left behind if anyone happened across it.

who is going to know the difference though? if I saw that lying in an alley, I wouldnt know it was landing gear.

 

[zyxt9]

who is going to know the difference though? if I saw that lying in an alley, I wouldnt know it was landing gear.

exactly, it is incredibly rare that anyone even looks in those tight spaces, this could easily have gone undiscovered for far longer, if ever. when the surrounding buildings are razed at some future point, it would have likely been taken away with the rest of the debris and no one would have ever known.

 

[Thumb]

Have they figured out which of the two aircraft it came from yet?

 

[turok]

Have they figured out which of the two aircraft it came from yet?

From what I have read so far, they cannot or have not as yet been able to determine which one it was since both were Boeing 767s, not enough disparity between them, to make an accurate assessment of which jet the landing gear came from, although the first airliner hit the first tower at a somewhat higher floor-level, and flew into it from a direction that would make me tend to believe that it was from that one, based on the landing gear's location and its direction from Ground Zero.

I don't recall seeing either jet hitting the towers with its landing gear lowered, although there is only one (lucky) recording of the first jet smashing into the first tower, IIRC. The jet itself wasn't filmed until seconds before impact, and was from a good distance away, while almost directly behind it, making it even more difficult to make out any detail about it.

 

[Thumb]

Both were 767's but slightly different models, I don't know if that made any difference in landing gear.

American Airlines Flight 11 was a Boeing 767-222 (North Tower)

United Airlines Flight 175 was a Boeing 767-223ER [extended range] (South Tower)

It's hard to say, but it's possible it could be from either place as the pressure wave from the exploding fuel could have thrown the landing gear from the north or south tower, but my guess would be the north tower also.

 

[Thumb]

Don't forget it also appears that it got tangled in rope at some point also....

It's probably a steel cable, not rope.

 

[zyxt9]

Have they figured out which of the two aircraft it came from yet?

Has to be the second one which hit the south tower flying in from the south toward the north. The first plane flew from the north toward the south hitting the north tower.

The physics of the flight paths, speeds, known debris path trajectories after impacts makes it impossible to have been the first plane. I cannot imagine how authorities can even remotely consider it to be from the first plane. Even if one wre to assume it rode down with the building as it collapsed and somehow got ejected outward to this location, the debris field did not extend out to that area and it would have had to bounce upward through the floors that collapsed on top of it and over the buildings between the towers and the location where this was found. That would require Conspiracy Theory Physics, the type where they make things seem possible beyond the realm of actual physics.

 

[Thumb]

Has to be the second one which hit the south tower flying in from the south toward the north. The first plane flew from the north toward the south hitting the north tower.

The physics of the flight paths, speeds, known debris path trajectories after impacts makes it impossible to have been the first plane. I cannot imagine how authorities can even remotely consider it to be from the first plane. Even if one wre to assume it rode down with the building as it collapsed and somehow got ejected outward to this location, the debris field did not extend out to that area and it would have had to bounce upward through the floors that collapsed on top of it and over the buildings between the towers and the location where this was found. That would require Conspiracy Theory Physics, the type where they make things seem possible beyond the realm of actual physics.

That assumes it passed all the way through the building though. which is Why I figure it was the fist plane, and the pressure wave from the exploding fuel ejected it backwards from the north tower impact.

But really it's all guessing at this point.

 

[zyxt9]

Go to 12 second mark on this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJOwttgBpzE

see the debris being ejected to the right? chances are one of those, probably the biggest streamer is likely the landing gear.

see how relatively short the distance of the debris field is to the left from the backward explosion?

much of these distance differentials are due to the exponential decrease in distance due to air resistance and gravity. one can easily assume the same was true with the first plane, though the angles for that impact are not available, the results would have been similar, and there is no evidence of streaming debris in the backward flying debris in this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6B7g6mt4Gk

the gear was protected by the fuselage as it was up. if it had been down, there would have been a greater chance of it shearing off. the walls inside the building are thin, but there is obviously the steel framework that it had to avoid, but that is a straight shot through as the framework is not going to prevent the straight through potentiality.

the building is also designed to reduce the sideways forces from the wind. that design will have a dampening effect during the collision and the rebounding potential is reduced accordingly.

the fuselage is designed to provide the potential of a belly landing should the gear not come down. this means it would allow for the plane to absorb the initial impact and the gear would be relatively protected, allowing its inertia to continue forward. it is quite probable the gear was over 25% through the building before the fuselage was stripped away. yes, that is purely a guess, but one can invision the wheels being inside the fuselage traveling into the building a good distance before they themselves touch any part of the building provided they were not in a path that would have them hitting the steel support columns. this opinion is formed from video evidence of plane crashes.

 

[Thumb]

You're assuming that the debris flying out of the building is aircraft though, for all we know it's copiers and coffee makers.

It's all speculation.

 

[turok]

The landing gear might have been ejected from one of the towers upon its collapse, but it seems more unlikely than if it occurred shortly after impact and the resulting explosion of jet fuel.

Seems like the landing gear "should" have remained contained within the tower, but IIRC, the main elevator shaft was in the center of the towers. Since the shafts would likely have reinforced steel and concrete surrounding them, they could have served as a sort of "spinal" support column for each floor as well as the entire length of the towers.

Perhaps when one of the jets impacted the column, maybe not directly head on and nose first, but close to it, caused the fuselage to break or split open, which helped the jet fuel to escape and ignite, with the resulting explosion providing the necessary "propellant" to eject the landing gear. I don't know if impacting several floors at once would have been sufficient to instantly disintegrate the jets, certainly their wings were, but perhaps one or both of the jets' fuselages mostly or entirely penetrated just one or two floors, and remained mostly intact until hitting the elevator shafts

From Wikipedia, the below diagram indicates that landing gear from the second jet was ejected along with the engine in the direction of where the landing gear recently was discovered, so it seems more likely that it was also from the second jet.The second jet also did not hit the South tower as directly as did the first hitting the North had, and from the diagram it also shows landing gear that was expelled had travelled in the opposite direction.