Michigan GOP

[Sbee]

about to pass legislation requiring people on welfare to submit to drug testing.

why not include SNAP as well? we could invade the privacy of the bottom third of the economic ladder

 

[Michchamp]

about to pass legislation requiring people on welfare to submit to drug testing.

why not include SNAP as well? we could invade the privacy of the bottom third of the economic ladder

that's dumb.

in every state they tried that, the evidence showed the cost of drug testing wasn't recovered by the amount of people excluded from welfare. there just aren't as many welfare users on drugs as the GOP thinks... poor people really can't afford drugs.

The perils of basing policy on your own myths...

 

[Sbee]

that's dumb.

in every state they tried that, the evidence showed the cost of drug testing wasn't recovered by the amount of people excluded from welfare. there just aren't as many welfare users on drugs as the GOP thinks... poor people really can't afford drugs.

The perils of basing policy on your own myths...

no champ, that's where you're wrong. don't you remember that regan campaign ad in the 70's about the welfare queen? this is a significant portion of our federal budget we're talking about.

 

[Mitchrapp]

They have that in a bunch of states now..

 

[Sbee]

They have that in a bunch of states now..

did they test everyone at the banks that got TARP funds?

 

[Michchamp]

did they test everyone at the banks that got TARP funds?

there would be no TARP funds if they did that.

 

[Mitchrapp]

They could do what Florida did, pee in a cup at the onset. No wonder it didn't work..

 

[Sbee]

They could do what Florida did, pee in a cup at the onset. No wonder it didn't work..

the better questions is why aren't these people entitled to personal privacy? why would they have to prove their innocence?

 

[Thumb]

about to pass legislation requiring people on welfare to submit to drug testing.

why not include SNAP as well? we could invade the privacy of the bottom third of the economic ladder

The state legislature should have to submit to the same testing.

 

[Spartanmack]

did they test everyone at the banks that got TARP funds?

probably not but it was already done. you can't get a job at any of the big or even medium size banks on Wall St. without submitting to a drug test.

 

[Mitchrapp]

the better questions is why aren't these people entitled to personal privacy? why would they have to prove their innocence?

Not my law. Maybe they like to waste money. But I suspect they caught one person on welfare who was doing drugs so this law came about because they thought if one was doing something they must all be..

As long as they stay from disability..

 

[Mitchrapp]

probably not but it was already done. you can't get a job at any of the big or even medium size banks on Wall St. without submitting to a drug test.

I don't think that's unusual. I worked for EDS starting 1996 and had to take a drug test.

 

[Spartanmack]

Not my law. Maybe they like to waste money. But I suspect they caught one person on welfare who was doing drugs so this law came about because they thought if one was doing something they must all be..

As long as they stay from disability..

Just get a prescription for it and your disability checks will be safe...

 

[Sbee]

probably not but it was already done. you can't get a job at any of the big or even medium size banks on Wall St. without submitting to a drug test.

of course the standards for participating in a corporation should be different than getting a public benefit.

this is stupid for a number of reasons

1 the cost of administration would most likely be higher than the money saved by stripping people of benefits

2 what happens to the children if someone tests positive and benefits are stripped? AFDC was meant with children in mind, is the state willing to take all of these kids in? lots of potential problems here

3 I guess we'll just encourage people to become alcoholics then, if someone wants to take the pain away with a fifth of vodka, we'd be all for it, just not smoking a joint. I guess the issue is the drug of choice

This is of course just a chest beating GOP exercise to get all of the talk radio types all fired up

 

[Sbee]

I don't think that's unusual. I worked for EDS starting 1996 and had to take a drug test.

lots of companies do this, for the most part applicants know that they're coming and they're never tested again.

 

[Sbee]

:hitter:

Just get a prescription for it and your disability checks will be safe...

exactly, high class opiates are fine but if you can only afford street level opiates, you'll lose your benefit. that makes a lot of sense

 

[Spartanmack]

exactly, high class opiates are fine but if you can only afford street level opiates, you'll lose your benefit. that makes a lot of sense

I was making a joke about medical marijuana but are you saying some junkie shooting heroine or taking stolen oxicodon is just self medicating and is no different than someone under a doctor's care taking prescription pain killers?

 

[Spartanmack]

of course the standards for participating in a corporation should be different than getting a public benefit.

Why is that? Why is ok for the private sector to discriminate against criminals if the government can't? discrimination is discrimination. Is it because they're entitled to our money so they shouldn't be held to any minimum standards in order to get it?

this is stupid for a number of reasons

1 the cost of administration would most likely be higher than the money saved by stripping people of benefits

2 what happens to the children if someone tests positive and benefits are stripped? AFDC was meant with children in mind, is the state willing to take all of these kids in? lots of potential problems here

3 I guess we'll just encourage people to become alcoholics then, if someone wants to take the pain away with a fifth of vodka, we'd be all for it, just not smoking a joint. I guess the issue is the drug of choice

This is of course just a chest beating GOP exercise to get all of the talk radio types all fired up

1. I don't think this is about kicking people off of welfare to save money. It's about telling people they need to get their shit together in order to receive public benefits.

2. Good point. We should definitely not worry about those kids growing up in homes w/ drug addicted parents and all the things that go along with that. No way those public assistance checks are going to drugs, taking food off the table - those drug addicts are way too responsible to do that. Plus, I'm sure most of them do their best parenting after a few hits of the crack pipe. Do it for the kids for goodness sake!

3. Another good point - so I guess it is your contention that these folks are simply self medicating. I didn't realize the drug trade was just an under the table pain management program for the victims of our failed health care system. This may be your best argument yet for ending the war on drugs.

Yes, this probably is just a GOP chest beating exercise to get those talk radio types all fired up. Nobody really believes in accountability, they just want ratings. It's all just more shock politics!

 

[Sbee]

I was making a joke about medical marijuana but are you saying some junkie shooting heroine or taking stolen oxicodon is just self medicating and is no different than someone under a doctor's care taking prescription pain killers?

No, I'm talking about abusing pain killers like a lot of people i've known do, it's pretty much the same thing as shooting herion but it's high class.

 

[Michchamp]

probably not but it was already done. you can't get a job at any of the big or even medium size banks on Wall St. without submitting to a drug test.

hahaha yeah, the banking industry is known for being so clean and sober.

so they had to pass a one (1) time drug test when they were hired... not like you can't cheat those.