Monroe does not sound like he wants to come back

[dubbsco]

"I'm hoping and praying that I will have some options," Monroe told NOLA.com. "As it looks right now I will have some. But I am just preparing myself and doing the normal things that I would around this time, working out. And on July 1, I'll be with my agent and we'll go through the process together."

I'd be stunned if he's in the Pistons Red, White, and Blue next season.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Can't blame him really..

 

[dtroitlionsfan951]

Options=good for restricted free agent. Of course he wants options. It's either he has options and the pistons can match which would mean lots more money for him. Or nobody offers and he has to make a much cheaper qualifying offer salary. Any player on any team would like the option to make more money.

 

[dubbsco]

I get it's all talk, but if a player really wants to stay with a certain city, you'll hear something along the lines of, "I want to stay here, we just need to get a deal done, it'll get done." Not, "I'm praying I have other options."

 

[zoombabyzoom]

I get it's all talk, but if a player really wants to stay with a certain city, you'll hear something along the lines of, "I want to stay here, we just need to get a deal done, it'll get done." Not, "I'm praying I have other options."

Nah, players NOW DAYS just want money.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Nah, players NOW DAYS just want money.

My day they wanted money too..don't kid yourself. Maybe the days before mine was the time money wasn't an issue.

 

[mhughes0021]

The reality is either him or smith needs to go. Smith isn't going anywhere cause dumars is an idiot. So Monroe needs to go. Trade him for a 3....they do sign n trades in the NBA, right?

 

[dubbsco]

I don't know if I'm reading your comment right Hughes, but you do know they got rid of Joe, right? Do you mean Dumars is an idiot because he signed up to such a horrible contract? If that's what you mean, then yes I agree.

Yes, Monroe needs to go. In today's game, your 4 needs to be able to step out and hit a long range shot here and there. Not saying you have to be Durant, but at least be a threat. He's great from 2 feet in. That's about it. SVG has a lot of cleaning up to do.

 

[mhughes0021]

I don't know if I'm reading your comment right Hughes, but you do know they got rid of Joe, right? Do you mean Dumars is an idiot because he signed up to such a horrible contract? If that's what you mean, then yes I agree.

Yes, Monroe needs to go. In today's game, your 4 needs to be able to step out and hit a long range shot here and there. Not saying you have to be Durant, but at least be a threat. He's great from 2 feet in. That's about it. SVG has a lot of cleaning up to do.

ya, cant move that contract. stuck with smith and hes shown he cant play a 3. move him to 4 and trade Monroe atleast for someone that can guard a 3.

 

[everyoneneedsasmil]

I'm not at all worried about what Monroe has said. Everyone wants as much money as possible, especially with their FIRST big contract. Further, the Pistons have been a joke Monroe's whole career. Why wouldn't he want better options?

The problem is that trades now generally return poor value. The latest example would be Tyreke Evans. Forget for a moment that Evans isn't that good, but look at what the Pelicans gave up: Greivis Vasquez (a pass-first PG who can't shoot or defend) and Robin Lopez (a player who was almost useless in New Orleans). Now, Evans IS a worse player than Monroe, but the biggest winner in the deal was Portland, who turned Lopez into a solid defender and finisher.

Trading Monroe now would be trading when his value is probably lowest. I'd much rather match any offer, then open up trade talks in December. Monroe is very nearly a 20-10 center. Does he have limited defensive value? Yeah. Does he have minimal range? Yeah. But you could say a lot of the same things about Al Jefferson. How many teams are kicking themselves over letting Charlotte scoop him up for less than the max? There are absolutely teams that could get a ton of value out of Monroe (Philly who could pair him with Noel, Milwaukee who could pair him with Sanders, LA/Orlando who have almost nothing to speak of in the frontcourt). Being rash is what got us into this situation (Joe constantly trying to reload instead of rebuild). Let's be patient for once, actually find the best deal available, and make it only when we know for sure we can't make something else work.

 

[mhughes0021]

I'm not at all worried about what Monroe has said. Everyone wants as much money as possible, especially with their FIRST big contract. Further, the Pistons have been a joke Monroe's whole career. Why wouldn't he want better options?

The problem is that trades now generally return poor value. The latest example would be Tyreke Evans. Forget for a moment that Evans isn't that good, but look at what the Pelicans gave up: Greivis Vasquez (a pass-first PG who can't shoot or defend) and Robin Lopez (a player who was almost useless in New Orleans). Now, Evans IS a worse player than Monroe, but the biggest winner in the deal was Portland, who turned Lopez into a solid defender and finisher.

Trading Monroe now would be trading when his value is probably lowest. I'd much rather match any offer, then open up trade talks in December. Monroe is very nearly a 20-10 center. Does he have limited defensive value? Yeah. Does he have minimal range? Yeah. But you could say a lot of the same things about Al Jefferson. How many teams are kicking themselves over letting Charlotte scoop him up for less than the max? There are absolutely teams that could get a ton of value out of Monroe (Philly who could pair him with Noel, Milwaukee who could pair him with Sanders, LA/Orlando who have almost nothing to speak of in the frontcourt). Being rash is what got us into this situation (Joe constantly trying to reload instead of rebuild). Let's be patient for once, actually find the best deal available, and make it only when we know for sure we can't make something else work.

we don't have that much time....his contract is about to expire. deal him for a 3.

 

[hailhail]

Getting rid of Monroe simply because you have a log jam down low right now is incredibly shortsighted. If he doesn't figure into your plans otherwise, then sure. But this team needs to peak in 4-5 years when Drummond does.

Smith could easily have a bounce back year with the right coach, and with another year off his contract he'll start to become a moveable piece soon enough (well before we start to put together any kind of contender). Most NBA teams have at least one guy on a horrible contract, but with the NBA salary cap set to explode over the next 3-4 years it really doesn't matter that much.

 

[hailhail]

Options=good for restricted free agent. Of course he wants options. It's either he has options and the pistons can match which would mean lots more money for him. Or nobody offers and he has to make a much cheaper qualifying offer salary. Any player on any team would like the option to make more money.

This. It's just the nature of restricted free agency in the NBA.

 

[mhughes0021]

Getting rid of Monroe simply because you have a log jam down low right now is incredibly shortsighted. If he doesn't figure into your plans otherwise, then sure. But this team needs to peak in 4-5 years when Drummond does.

Smith could easily have a bounce back year with the right coach, and with another year off his contract he'll start to become a moveable piece soon enough (well before we start to put together any kind of contender). Most NBA teams have at least one guy on a horrible contract, but with the NBA salary cap set to explode over the next 3-4 years it really doesn't matter that much.

I actually think trading Monroe is the opposite of short sighted. If Smith already sucks at 3....hes not going to get any better at guarding a 3 as he ages. Hes been a 4 in the past, hes a 4 now, and he will be a 4 in the future. We have no LONG TERM plan for who is going to be a 3 on this team. Therefor, trading a piece of value like Monroe for a long term solution at 3 wouldn't be a bad idea in my opinion. "Smaller" 4s like Smith are the NBA of today. Someone who can still work the perimeter and make space for the offense in the middle. clogging the middle with Drummond and Monroe just so smith and Jennings can brick shot after shot from the outside might be the dumbest offense in the NBA....

 

[hailhail]

I actually think trading Monroe is the opposite of short sighted. If Smith already sucks at 3....hes not going to get any better at guarding a 3 as he ages. Hes been a 4 in the past, hes a 4 now, and he will be a 4 in the future. We have no LONG TERM plan for who is going to be a 3 on this team. Therefor, trading a piece of value like Monroe for a long term solution at 3 wouldn't be a bad idea in my opinion. "Smaller" 4s like Smith are the NBA of today. Someone who can still work the perimeter and make space for the offense in the middle. clogging the middle with Drummond and Monroe just so smith and Jennings can brick shot after shot from the outside might be the dumbest offense in the NBA....

Well agreed. If you can get a viable wing for the future then you most likely do it.

I'm just saying you don't get rid of Monroe simply because he doesn't fit the way this roster is currently constructed. Whether or not he fits the roster 4-5 years from now is far more important. And SVG has all the job security in the world right now, which is extremely important.

 

[dubbsco]

I would expect SVG to find the best value for Monroe. But, Joe Dumars created this mess. Unfortunately, it is a log-jam in the frontcourt. Waiting 4-5 years for his value to go up and suffer with that frontcourt doesn't work. You may not get max value for Monroe, but I think he would be coveted from some teams that need a clean-up man like him.

 

[hailhail]

I would expect SVG to find the best value for Monroe. But, Joe Dumars created this mess. Unfortunately, it is a log-jam in the frontcourt. Waiting 4-5 years for his value to go up and suffer with that frontcourt doesn't work. You may not get max value for Monroe, but I think he would be coveted from some teams that need a clean-up man like him.

4-5 years for Smith's value to go up? You wouldn't have to. If he plays well his value will go up as soon as next year. He won't be that difficult to move at some point in the next few years either way. Even at his worst he's not a complete sack of garbage (there are guys in the NBA, past and present, that have been paid as much if not more to be just that). Regardless, with a ballooning salary cap, his bad contract matters considerably less.

 

[everyoneneedsasmil]

First of all, while Monroe's contract is up, he has very limited options to actually leave. Unless he's going to play out a year on the qualifying offer (a huge risk), he'll instead be signing a 3 or more year offer sheet with another team. We can match any offer, so it's not like he can really go somewhere else even if he wants to.

Also, it IS shortsighted to look at last year's team and predict the same failures. For one, we were running out two useless coaches, neither of which seemed to realize that we could play Smith-Monroe-Drummond 30 minutes a piece at PF/C only and never put Smith at the 3. The team was actually a net positive when only two of those players were playing together, but neither coach seemed to figure out that we could play exactly two all game. Keeping Smith-Monroe-Drummond together in the short term is not a death sentence for a half-decent coach, only for bad ones.

Trading Monroe to clear up a logjam that doesn't really exist (seriously, you could play all of them 32 minutes per game, which would also remove the garbage PF/C we played outside of them) is a bad idea. Now, if there was a quality PG, SG, SF available, that's a completely different story. If there was a deal for someone like Bledsoe, sure take it. If Orlando would give up Afflalo and Harris for Monroe, go for it. But trading him just to trade him, or for any old wing player is poor planning at best.

 

[dubbsco]

Monroe's value, Hail.