NRA changing name to Tin Foil Hats Club

[Monster]

Yikes. Paranoia is getting worse.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.co...-eroding-freedoms-warns-of-hillary-candidacy/

 

[Sbee]

Fucking crazy shit. The head scratcher is that 88 percent of Americans favor background checks but that law is doa. How the hell does that happen?

 

[spockmaster]

Fucking crazy shit. The head scratcher is that 88 percent of Americans favor background checks but that law is doa. How the hell does that happen?

Because we dont actually run the country anymore.

http://gawker.com/study-the-u-s-is-an-oligarchy-1563363760

 

[Spartanmack]

Fucking crazy shit. The head scratcher is that 88 percent of Americans favor background checks but that law is doa. How the hell does that happen?

Because less than 5% of Americans rank guns as the biggest problem facing the country. Overall it ranks pretty low on Americans' priority list - it's not worth it for politicians to support legislation nobody cares that much about if it's going to make them a target in the next election. The other problem is these gun control laws that try to do it all in one shot, packaging background checks with other draconian measures that aren't widely supported like banning certain types of guns or magazine size or not including an exemption to background checks for giving guns to family members.

 

[Sbee]

Because less than 5% of Americans rank guns as the biggest problem facing the country. Overall it ranks pretty low on Americans' priority list - it's not worth it for politicians to support legislation nobody cares that much about if it's going to make them a target in the next election. The other problem is these gun control laws that try to do it all in one shot, packaging background checks with other draconian measures that aren't widely supported like banning certain types of guns or magazine size or not including an exemption to background checks for giving guns to family members.

do you just have to take the right wing argument on everything? where the hell do you get the draconian thing from? here's what failed to pass in 2013

reinstating an assault weapons ban
limiting magazines to 10 rounds max
making gun trafficing a federal crimg
requiring universal background checks

the senate took up background checks in april, it was supported by 90% of americans at the time, it failed in the senate 54-46 because it was subject to a filibuster, but it stood no chance in the house.

really hard line liberal shit right there.

 

[Spartanmack]

Where do you see me taking a side in this argument? It's just a fact that Americans don't regard gun control as a high priority item. That's not taking a side, that's just a fact. And it's also a fact that you don't have 90% of Americans supporting the more aggressive measures like the so-called assault weapons ban (automatic weapons are already illegal), magazine size, etc. And it's also a fact that this is not just a federal issue. It's being done at the state and local level. You you have politicians being recalled in Colorado for example, where they packaged and passed a bunch of very aggressive gun control measures. Again, that is a fact, not my opinion.

 

[Sbee]

Where do you see me taking a side in this argument? It's just a fact that Americans don't regard gun control as a high priority item. That's not taking a side, that's just a fact. And it's also a fact that you don't have 90% of Americans supporting the more aggressive measures like the so-called assault weapons ban (automatic weapons are already illegal), magazine size, etc. And it's also a fact that this is not just a federal issue. It's being done at the state and local level. You you have politicians being recalled in Colorado for example, where they packaged and passed a bunch of very aggressive gun control measures. Again, that is a fact, not my opinion.

saying that it's not an issue in the forefront for most americans doesn't mean that it should be ignored. we don't just legislate the high priority items, there are other issues that serve the common good that can be addressed. to say that the 2013 bill was draconian is a gross exaggeration, they weren't repealing the 2nd amendment. that bill was completely watered down and couldn't get past a democrat controlled house. any kind of gun legislation is DOA despite the will of the populous

 

[Spartanmack]

saying that it's not an issue in the forefront for most americans doesn't mean that it should be ignored. we don't just legislate the high priority items, there are other issues that serve the common good that can be addressed. to say that the 2013 bill was draconian is a gross exaggeration, they weren't repealing the 2nd amendment. that bill was completely watered down and couldn't get past a democrat controlled house. any kind of gun legislation is DOA despite the will of the populous

I didn't say it should be ignored, just that it is and why. When you consider the facts, it's not surprising that legislation supported by >80% of the population doesn't pass when the people who vote on it are more worried about being re-elected. Again, not an opinion just an explanation as to why I'm not surprised by it. Also, I didn't say the 2013 bill was draconian. I said that gun control legislation in general often fails because they "kitchen sink" it and try to pass everything (like in Colorado) instead of going for more pallatable/sensible reforms individually. But for the record, the ban on so-called assault weapons is viewed by many as draconian or extreme. The fact is, Americans don't really care about it and politician need to win elections so they vote their best interests, not yours and mine. And when they see state level politicians being recalled, do you think they would just ignore that?

 

[Sbee]

I didn't say it should be ignored, just that it is and why. When you consider the facts, it's not surprising that legislation supported by >80% of the population doesn't pass when the people who vote on it are more worried about being re-elected. Again, not an opinion just an explanation as to why I'm not surprised by it. Also, I didn't say the 2013 bill was draconian. I said that gun control legislation in general often fails because they "kitchen sink" it and try to pass everything (like in Colorado) instead of going for more pallatable/sensible reforms individually. But for the record, the ban on so-called assault weapons is viewed by many as draconian or extreme. The fact is, Americans don't really care about it and politician need to win elections so they vote their best interests, not yours and mine. And when they see state level politicians being recalled, do you think they would just ignore that?

Americans only care when it's white kids from affluent suburbs getting killed i guess.

 

[Spartanmack]

Americans only care when it's white kids from affluent suburbs getting killed i guess.

I don't think they care for more than a couple weeks then.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Govern...tside-NRA-Convention-Draws-Twenty-Five-People

And for the record, other than expanded background checks to cover gun shows and internet sales, and better mental health screening, I think we have all the gun control legislation we need. Virtually all of the gun violence we're experiencing is already illegal. The issue in my mind is education and enforcement.

 

[Michchamp]

do you just have to take the right wing argument on everything? where the hell do you get the draconian thing from? here's what failed to pass in 2013

reinstating an assault weapons ban
limiting magazines to 10 rounds max
making gun trafficing a federal crimg
requiring universal background checks

the senate took up background checks in april, it was supported by 90% of americans at the time, it failed in the senate 54-46 because it was subject to a filibuster, but it stood no chance in the house.

really hard line liberal shit right there.

why bother? his position is the same it always is: liberals = bad.

nothing is going to change that. here "public opinion" is the reason gun laws keep getting looser and looser, even though public opinion supported those restrictions above, and is not the reason... the reason is the NRA is basically a pro-gun sales lobbyist and has WAY more money, influence, and resources both in DC and State capitals than its opponents do.

And the situation as it is may be a lot of things: shameful, disgraceful, problematic, and a national embarrassment... but that doesn't matter to spartanmack because LIBERALS BAD!

 

[Mitchrapp]

why bother? his position is the same it always is: liberals = bad.

nothing is going to change that. here "public opinion" is the reason gun laws keep getting looser and looser, even though public opinion supported those restrictions above, and is not the reason... the reason is the NRA is basically a pro-gun sales lobbyist and has WAY more money, influence, and resources both in DC and State capitals than its opponents do.

And the situation as it is may be a lot of things: shameful, disgraceful, problematic, and a national embarrassment... but that doesn't matter to spartanmack because LIBERALS BAD!

Unlike your view conservative = bad. It's okay to have that opinion but don't make it sound like your views are any different.

 

[Michchamp]

Unlike your view conservative = bad. It's okay to have that opinion but don't make it sound like your views are any different.

Yeah... people pulling statistics out of their ass to say stronger background checks are not needed, vs. people who say "Have you gone completely mad???"... just two sides of the same coin.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Yeah... people pulling statistics out of their ass to say stronger background checks are not needed, vs. people who say "Have you gone completely mad???"... just two sides of the same coin.

And you don't pull statistics to suit your argument? Hell we all do at one point but the point remains.

 

[Spartanmack]

why bother? his position is the same it always is: liberals = bad.

nothing is going to change that. here "public opinion" is the reason gun laws keep getting looser and looser, even though public opinion supported those restrictions above, and is not the reason... the reason is the NRA is basically a pro-gun sales lobbyist and has WAY more money, influence, and resources both in DC and State capitals than its opponents do.

And the situation as it is may be a lot of things: shameful, disgraceful, problematic, and a national embarrassment... but that doesn't matter to spartanmack because LIBERALS BAD!

Whiff. Again. This would be great except that I acknowledged that public opinion favors expanded background checks, just that it's a low priority issue. I also said I'm in favor of expanded background checks (pretty liberal of me, right?). A big reason these laws don't pass is that although public opinion favors them, it's such a low priority issue to voters that the risk of losing the next election based on this issue is much, much lower voting against it than for it and facing an NRA backed and funded candidate. That doesn't make me conservative, that's just an objective fact.

 

[Spartanmack]

Yeah... people pulling statistics out of their ass to say stronger background checks are not needed, vs. people who say "Have you gone completely mad???"... just two sides of the same coin.

Don't think I did either of those when I said I was in favor of expanded background checks. So who is pulling what out of their ass?

 

[Sbee]

Whiff. Again. This would be great except that I acknowledged that public opinion favors expanded background checks, just that it's a low priority issue. I also said I'm in favor of expanded background checks (pretty liberal of me, right?). A big reason these laws don't pass is that although public opinion favors them, it's such a low priority issue to voters that the risk of losing the next election based on this issue is much, much lower voting against it than for it and facing an NRA backed and funded candidate. That doesn't make me conservative, that's just an objective fact.

Background checks aren't liberal, they're common sense, but common sense may be a liberal idea.

 

[Spartanmack]

Background checks aren't liberal, they're common sense, but common sense may be a liberal idea.

That was sarcasm and it was pretty obvious given the fact that 1) >80% of the country supports expanded background checks and <80% of the population is liberal and 2) I'm rarely on the same side of an issue as michturd. And common sense isn't an idea, it's what people use to come up with good ideas. It's also something liberals tend to possess in extremely small quantities, if at all.

 

[Monster]

That was sarcasm and it was pretty obvious given the fact that 1) >80% of the country supports expanded background checks and <80% of the population is liberal and 2) I'm rarely on the same side of an issue as michturd. And common sense isn't an idea, it's what people use to come up with good ideas. It's also something liberals tend to possess in extremely small quantities, if at all.

So...because we have different ideas on how we should treat our fellow man, we don't have as much common sense as you?

How about common sense like making sure people don't die because they don't have medical insurance? How about making sure people don't starve because they don't have a good enough education to have a job that pays over the poverty line? How about making sure a teenage girl isn't forced to mother her pedophile uncle's baby because of laws intended to stop abortion? What about ensuring that we're all allowed to love whoever we want to love and marry whoever we want to marry? Even better, how about we keep our schools fully funded instead of bleeding them dry?

You're right. We have no common sense. Let's just spend money on useless military expenses and hand outs for rich corporations like oil companies. And to top it off, we'll let the poor get poorer and give them guns that they can take anywhere they want to and not worry about being asked if they have a permit. That'll work.

 

[Gulo Blue]

How about common sense like making sure people don't die because they don't have medical insurance?

That's not common sense. If you want to make sure people are covered and you want the government to subsidize it, there's no sense in private companies getting a cut of the money going from the government to healthcare providers. Insurance is a business that weighs risks against costs and profits. There is no risk associated passing government money to healthcare providers so there's no sense in paying them to pass along money.