One and Done rule

[tomdalton22]

With the publicity of the Zion Williamson injury the one and done rule is back in the media spotlight. I'm all for it...if some kid thinks he is ready, let him enter the draft. I think it will hurt college B-ball though.

 

[Mitchrapp]

It will also hurt the NBA. The reason they changed in the first place. With all the Lebrons, and Kobi's of the world you get a shit load of shit.

 

[tomdalton22]

It will also hurt the NBA. The reason they changed in the first place. With all the Lebrons, and Kobi's of the world you get a shit load of shit.

I don't think it will hurt the NBA as much as it will the college game. A lot of the guys that enter the draft just won't get drafted, or if they do, they will just sit on the end of the bench in place of a shitty veteran that doesn't play.

On the other side, it might take kids longer to develop. Even playing one year of major college ball is probably much better than sitting on the bench in the NBA. A one and done player may be a major contributor in year one or two but the guy drafted right out of high school might be year 2 or 3. By the time they get to an all star level they hit free agency and leave the team that drafted them.

 

[Mitchrapp]

It will effect the college kids as well, bad on both levels.

 

[Michchamp]

I support the one-and-done rule... for people who post links to Alex Jones...

 

[sggatecl]

I don't think it's good for either sport but it's good for the athlete so I'm all for removing the one and done rule.

 

[MSUMatt28]

I'm a little surprised the NBA would be in favor of this. They'd get the Lebron, Kobe, Garnett type talents a year sooner again. But there were plenty of busts before and getting a look at the players for a year in college gave NBA teams a better idea of what they were getting and protected them from themselves to some degree.

I think overall I've liked the one and done rule even if I'm mixed about some of the things it's created in the game. More talent in the college game, if only for a year is good. Haven't cared for the byproduct of the system whereby Duke and Kentucky can stockpile as many of them as possible for a run at the National title and then just keep at revolving door of them flowing through. But also at the same time it's made it interesting in that there are more different ways one can build a team, and it makes programs think harder about how they want to recruit.

I think if instituted, we'll see more players entering straight out of High School than the last time around. I do wonder how many players will then leave after 1 year of college. I'd think most if they were good enough to leave after one year will also have been good enough to leave straight out of High School.

 

[MSUMatt28]

I'll add that all this stuff about Zion getting hurt and potentially ruining his career is way overblown. He has an $8 million dollar insurance policy. I am not sure that is much less than his rookie contract would be. He could get hurt just the same early in his NBA career and cost himself a lot of future money just the same as he could in college.

But though injuries do happen in basketball and occasionally some pretty bad ones, I still consider that whole question much more relevant in football.

 

[SpartyNash]

I'm a little surprised the NBA would be in favor of this. They'd get the Lebron, Kobe, Garnett type talents a year sooner again. But there were plenty of busts before and getting a look at the players for a year in college gave NBA teams a better idea of what they were getting and protected them from themselves to some degree.

I think overall I've liked the one and done rule even if I'm mixed about some of the things it's created in the game. More talent in the college game, if only for a year is good. Haven't cared for the byproduct of the system whereby Duke and Kentucky can stockpile as many of them as possible for a run at the National title and then just keep at revolving door of them flowing through. But also at the same time it's made it interesting in that there are more different ways one can build a team, and it makes programs think harder about how they want to recruit.

I think if instituted, we'll see more players entering straight out of High School than the last time around. I do wonder how many players will then leave after 1 year of college. I'd think most if they were good enough to leave after one year will also have been good enough to leave straight out of High School.

I don?t have the numbers in front of me but I?d be inclined to believe there were more HS busts than studs. Guys like Kwame Brown, Darius Miles, Sebastian Telfair come to mind immediately.

I?m in favor of getting rid of the rule, I can still see a fair amount of players going to college for a year or two to develop, but I can also see a day where a decent chunk of guys would rather toil in the G league or overseas for a year instead of college.

 

[MSUMatt28]

I don?t have the numbers in front of me but I?d be inclined to believe there were more HS busts than studs. Guys like Kwame Brown, Darius Miles, Sebastian Telfair come to mind immediately.

I?m in favor of getting rid of the rule, I can still see a fair amount of players going to college for a year or two to develop, but I can also see a day where a decent chunk of guys would rather toil in the G league or overseas for a year instead of college.

That's the thing too. The G league either wasn't in existence before or was just getting off the ground. It's a viable option now for players who aren't ready to be on an NBA roster.

However players today have the option of spending a year in the G League out of High School before getting onto an NBA roster and almost all choose college. So I guess that's something to be said for the college experience.

 

[tomdalton22]

here are the top 5 HS recruits over the past 5 years.

2018
1 Barrett
2 Reddish
3 Nassir Little
4 Bol Bol
5 Zion

2017
1 Marvin Bagley
2 Michael Porter
3 Mohamed Bamba
4 Deandre Ayton
5 Collin Sexton

2016
1 Josh Jackson
2 Harry Giles
3 Lonzo Ball
4 Jayson Tatum
5 Markelle Fultz

2015
1 Ben Simmons
2 Skal Labissire
3 Brandon Ingram
4 Jaylen Brown
5 Cheik Diallo

2014
1 Jahlil Okafor
2 Emmanuel Mudiay
3 Stanley Johnson
4 Cliff Alexander
5 Karl_anthony Towns

2013
1 Andrew Wiggins
2 Julius Randle
3 Aaron Gordon
4 Jabari Parker
5 Andrew Harrison

 

[MSUMatt28]

here are the top 5 HS recruits over the past 5 years.

2018
1 Barrett
2 Reddish
3 Nassir Little
4 Bol Bol
5 Zion

2017
1 Marvin Bagley
2 Michael Porter
3 Mohamed Bamba
4 Deandre Ayton
5 Collin Sexton

2016
1 Josh Jackson
2 Harry Giles
3 Lonzo Ball
4 Jayson Tatum
5 Markelle Fultz

2015
1 Ben Simmons
2 Skal Labissire
3 Brandon Ingram
4 Jaylen Brown
5 Cheik Diallo

2014
1 Jahlil Okafor
2 Emmanuel Mudiay
3 Stanley Johnson
4 Cliff Alexander
5 Karl_anthony Towns

2013
1 Andrew Wiggins
2 Julius Randle
3 Aaron Gordon
4 Jabari Parker
5 Andrew Harrison

ALOT of busts on that list, even just a few years later. And yet I am betting if given the opportunity at least the top 10, maybe top 15, High School kids will put their names in the draft each year.

 

[Spartanmack]

That's the thing too. The G league either wasn't in existence before or was just getting off the ground. It's a viable option now for players who aren't ready to be on an NBA roster.

However players today have the option of spending a year in the G League out of High School before getting onto an NBA roster and almost all choose college. So I guess that's something to be said for the college experience.

a lot of kids that go to college arent even g league caliber players. i dont know what the move up rate is from the geague but hopefully the smarter kids realize the fall back plan offered by college is worth more than the slighly better odds of making it beyond the g league.

 

[tomdalton22]

a lot of kids that go to college arent even g league caliber players. i dont know what the move up rate is from the geague but hopefully the smarter kids realize the fall back plan offered by college is worth more than the slighly better odds of making it beyond the g league.

most of these kids aren't that smart. Last year there were 236 underclassmen that declared for the NBA draft. That's 236 (plus the seniors) for 60 spots.

 

[everyoneneedsasmil]

ALOT of busts on that list, even just a few years later. And yet I am betting if given the opportunity at least the top 10, maybe top 15, High School kids will put their names in the draft each year.

Define "bust" here. If you look at that list, the VAST majority were still picked high if they left after 1 year. The players that didn't get picked high were the ones that stayed too long and really showed that they weren't good. Basically, one and done hasn't changed much of anything with the top prospects except take a year off their earning potential.

It clearly isn't helping the teams who still seem to pick all these guys that bust. It doesn't actually make the players any better (there's already been studies showing how much more players improve with NBA coaching and conditioning than any college). And it's not teaching these top prospects anything. They're not coming out with college degrees, and based on the continual academic scandals, they probably aren't even paying attention to the classes they are forced to take.

One and done has been pointless.