Republican life outcomes

[Michchamp]

I predict we'll see more and more of this, as society's safety net continues to be gutted, and yet the number of retirement age boomers continues to grow:

...police in Melvindale found the bodies of 58-year-old John Richett Jr. and his 20-year-old son Nicholas on Friday at their home.
The TV station says Nicholas Richett had autism. Police Chief Chad Hayse says John Richett "feared his medical problems would take his life and then he wouldn't be around to care for his son." Hayse says that John Richett "didn't want to burden the family."​

We can safely assume that Mitt Romney, who has an elevator for his garage, must have worked that much harder in life than John Richett Jr.

 

[jwlcosu]

Democrat life outcomes:

 

[Michchamp]

not really. They riot after the police brutalize them... roll back the Gestapo tactics there, and there would be no riot.

 

[Spartanmack]

not really. They riot after the police brutalize them... roll back the Gestapo tactics there, and there would be no riot.

Right because without the riots, Baltimore is a shining example of the success of the Democrat's agenda. It's no Detroit, but it's a close second. Clearly, we need more outcomes like that.

 

[Thumb]

Right, it's the democrats that created problems like that, by supporting big business's outsourcing of jobs, anti-union policies, creating poverty, and then wanting to cut any programs to assist those people so the super-rich can get more tax cuts.

Republicans are fucking hilarious, they love to make huge messes, ignore them, then blame someone else when they aren't fixed right away. I mean how could Obama let that happen in Iraq?

Duuuuuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrr

 

[Michchamp]

I wanted to talk about the real life affects of the drastic cuts to social welfare & what not, but I guess because there were riots in Baltimore, they don't matter.

 

[Gulo Blue]

I wanted to talk about the real life affects of the drastic cuts to social welfare & what not, but I guess because there were riots in Baltimore, they don't matter.

Which drastic cuts to social welfare, out of curiosity?

 

[Spartanmack]

I wanted to talk about the real life affects of the drastic cuts to social welfare & what not, but I guess because there were riots in Baltimore, they don't matter.

Right, because again, if not for the riots all would be right with Baltimore. And if it wasn't, apparently it would be the fault of Republican's for not making it illegal for companies to find better prices for labor overseas - American workers have a right to be paid more than their skills are worth. Not the unions fault at all.

 

[Michchamp]

Which drastic cuts to social welfare, out of curiosity?

I admit. I shot from the hip a bit there. I read the story and had an emotional reaction to the thought of a father in that situation, and some personal outrage that in this country, any person - regardless of their intelligence, work ethic, or history - would be forced into such a horrible outcome just to avoid burdening the rest of his family with the cost of caring for him and his son.

It's not just cuts to social welfare... it's a failure to adapt existing policies to adequately address changing circumstances.

There's a paper on the topic (written by two UM professors) that essentially holds that Johnson's "War on Poverty" was unsuccessful not because the policies were themselves ineffective, but the assumptions of continuing prosperity for the American middle class were not realized. There are a number of reasons for this I could get into. maybe the primary one is shipping manufacturing jobs overseas.

anyways, I read the article in the Freep and found it was particularly striking in a time when cuts to foodstamps, unemployment insurance, dramatically rising healthcare costs, increasingly stark income inequality, privitizing and gutting SS, and all sorts of other shit (you don't need me to define "shit" here do you? I can go on if needed...) are all increasing and are making it appear - to me at least - that the cost of caring for our parents generation is going to be a ticking time bomb, and things are going to get worse - a lot worse - for our generation and those younger than us, before they get better.

 

[Gulo Blue]

American workers have a right to be paid more than their skills are worth. Not the unions fault at all.

It's not about a right. That's another hyperbolic framing of the issue. It's about what's going to yield the America we want to live in. Free market capitalism at the root of the economy is the biggest piece to the puzzle. But we also need to limit that to some degree because if we let market forces drive unskilled wages down to 3rd world levels, a lot of the US then has to function like the 3rd world.

 

[Thumb]

American workers have a right to be paid more than their skills are worth. Not the unions fault at all.

What a dipshit statement.

Who are you to judge what skills are worth? If someone from a 3rd world country came to do your job (whatever that is) and was happy to do it for a few dollars a day then that would mean you're being paid more then your skills are worth?

Give me a break. Companies didn't move towards cheap labor because the American workers were being overpaid, it was so they could turn more profit. Plenty of places that up and moved overseas were never union in the first place.

You have a said a lot of stupid shit on this board, but this might be your Magnum Opus of dumbfuckery.

 

[turok]

lol @ the luddite dweeb who doesn't know how to resize HUGH images for posting...>

 

[Gulo Blue]

lol @ the luddite dweeb who doesn't know how to resize HUGH images for posting...>

Ummm.....yeah. That's hilarious. And of course I know how to do it. But why don't you explain...for him. Because, obviously, I know.

 

[turok]

http://resizeyourimage.com/

http://www181.lunapic.com/

http://www.picresize.com/

http://www.shrinkpictures.com/

 

[Michchamp]

Ummm.....yeah. That's hilarious. And of course I know how to do it. But why don't you explain...for him. Because, obviously, I know.

http://resizeyourimage.com/

http://www181.lunapic.com/

http://www.picresize.com/

http://www.shrinkpictures.com/

when I do an image search (on bing) I always select only medium or small images. But this is helpful for those times the perfect image is too large.

 

[turok]

Right, because again, if not for the riots all would be right with Baltimore. And if it wasn't, apparently it would be the fault of Republican's for not making it illegal for companies to find better prices for labor overseas - American workers have a right to be paid more than their skills are worth. Not the unions fault at all.

US workers bought the products that they made. The far more sturdy products could be often repaired instead of being so shitty that they MIGHT be worthy of being recycled after disposal. Those peasants off-shores who are manufacturing the cheaply made and poorly comprised junk for export to the US most often cannot even afford to do likewise.

 

[Gulo Blue]

when I do an image search (on bing) I always select only medium or small images. But this is helpful for those times the perfect image is too large.

I'm generally considerate enough to do this. But we used to be able to specify image size right in the post and it would resize anything. Occasionally, I just can't find a link that isn't too big.

 

[turok]

when I do an image search (on bing) I always select only medium or small images. But this is helpful for those times the perfect image is too large.

"TinEye is the first image search engine on the web to use image identification technology rather than keywords, metadata or watermarks. When you submit an image to be searched, TinEye creates a unique and compact digital signature or 'fingerprint' for it, then compares this fingerprint to every other image in our index to retrieve matches. TinEye does not typically find similar images; it finds exact matches including those that have been cropped, edited or resized."

This add-on is also great to find match images than have not been intentionally blurred or censored on websites.


https://www.tineye.com/

 

[Spartanmack]

It's not about a right. That's another hyperbolic framing of the issue. It's about what's going to yield the America we want to live in. Free market capitalism at the root of the economy is the biggest piece to the puzzle. But we also need to limit that to some degree because if we let market forces drive unskilled wages down to 3rd world levels, a lot of the US then has to function like the 3rd world.

It was indeed a hyperbolic response to a more hyperbolic and completely incorrect summation of the problem. This idea that conservatives gleefully screw the working class just to undermine the unions' benevolent efforts to create a better, stronger America by driving wages ever higher is absurd on its face and worthy of nothing more than equally hyperbolic mockery - at least in a forum such as this.

If we could pay skilled labor at market rates we'd have a thriving manufacturing sector - just look at the lifestyle of non union auto workers in the South. With a strong manufacturing base, low skilled jobs get filled by teenagers and spouses seeking supplemental part-time income. This idea that being a cashier at Walmart should pay enough to be a full time career with a cushy pension, paid vacation, maternity, sick leave, seniority benefits, etc, etc is ridiculous. And a one size fits all minimum wage is even dumber.

Nobody has the balls to say it but the greed of the working class is at least as responsible if not more for killing the manufacturing sector in the US. The fact that you can actually ship raw steel - a low margin input, not even a high margin finished product - from an island thousands of miles away and sell it here cheaper than you can make it is unreal. The cost advantage per unit of Japanese cars shipped to and sold in America just for legacy labor costs (disregarding any production process advantage) was $4,000 - 4 fucking thousand dollars per car. That was pre-2008 restructuring of the auto sector but whatever, by then it had been going on for decades. That's INSANE.

 

[Spartanmack]

What a dipshit statement.

Who are you to judge what skills are worth? If someone from a 3rd world country came to do your job (whatever that is) and was happy to do it for a few dollars a day then that would mean you're being paid more then your skills are worth?

Give me a break. Companies didn't move towards cheap labor because the American workers were being overpaid, it was so they could turn more profit. Plenty of places that up and moved overseas were never union in the first place.

You have a said a lot of stupid shit on this board, but this might be your Magnum Opus of dumbfuckery.

Sorry dipshit but it's your team that's judging what skills are worth - I'm not the one telling employers that every job should pay at least $15/hour - that's your team. So how do you explain the American textile and steel industries going bankrupt? They didn't move jobs overseas and look what happened to them. Companies moved industrial jobs overseas in order to survive and stay competitive. The record is clear on that. Do you ever think before you puke out this nonsense? Dumbass.