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Get StartedSLICK said:Ron Paul said today the Tornado victims of this past weekend should get NO Federal aide.....tough titties if you didn't have insurance.
MI_Thumb said:SLICK said:Ron Paul said today the Tornado victims of this past weekend should get NO Federal aide.....tough titties if you didn't have insurance.
Where's Kanye when you need him?
tsmith7559 said:MI_Thumb said:Where's Kanye when you need him?
Kanye blew his horn and then left the brothers in NO on their own..just like a good lib. Get the spotlight...then book
[color=#551A8B said:Danny Diggler[/color]]God hates trailer trash..
MI_Thumb said:tsmith7559 said:Kanye blew his horn and then left the brothers in NO on their own..just like a good lib. Get the spotlight...then book
Yeah, and the Bush administration pretended like it never happened, because none of the people in the lower 9th ward were his constituents anyways......just like a scumbag right-winger.
SLICK said:Ron Paul said today the Tornado victims of this past weekend should get NO Federal aide.....tough titties if you didn't have insurance.
smayschmouthfootball said:SLICK said:Ron Paul said today the Tornado victims of this past weekend should get NO Federal aide.....tough titties if you didn't have insurance.
You come across as a grade-eight teenage girl claiming that Paul McCartney was dead because you discovered all the album clues.
SLICK said:smayschmouthfootball said:You come across as a grade-eight teenage girl claiming that Paul McCartney was dead because you discovered all the album clues.
I try gimp....
MichChamp02 said:thanks for posting the whole quote, Byco. This is where I really diverge from Ron Paul, politically, though.
As usual, the libertarian way of thinking ASSUMES a world where everyone is financially secure, well-educated, and omnipotent such that they are able to understand every risk out there, including the likelihood it might happen to them. AND of course, they are all able to buy insurance, can afford it, and aren't discriminated against by the insurance company. None of which is realistic, by the way.
I guess this is why I tend to side more with the liberal way of thinking; at least that attempts to accept the world as it is, rather than as it should be, and legislate for that.
also, Paul is wrong that there is no such thing as federal money. I don't know how he can make a statement like that. the constitution expressly provides that the legislature can tax and spend for the "general welfare." There are no qualifications in this clause, except for what is otherwise expressly prohibited elsewhere in the Constitution (e.g., congress can't tax and spend the funds to establish a religion).
MSUspartan said:MichChamp02 said:thanks for posting the whole quote, Byco. This is where I really diverge from Ron Paul, politically, though.
As usual, the libertarian way of thinking ASSUMES a world where everyone is financially secure, well-educated, and omnipotent such that they are able to understand every risk out there, including the likelihood it might happen to them. AND of course, they are all able to buy insurance, can afford it, and aren't discriminated against by the insurance company. None of which is realistic, by the way.
I guess this is why I tend to side more with the liberal way of thinking; at least that attempts to accept the world as it is, rather than as it should be, and legislate for that.
also, Paul is wrong that there is no such thing as federal money. I don't know how he can make a statement like that. the constitution expressly provides that the legislature can tax and spend for the "general welfare." There are no qualifications in this clause, except for what is otherwise expressly prohibited elsewhere in the Constitution (e.g., congress can't tax and spend the funds to establish a religion).
Libertarians do not assume everyone is well educated. Libertarians simply believe the federal government is not responsible to solve everyone's problems.
If someones house is wiped out by a natural disaster 10 times and my house in another state isn't once, should I pay for that other person to rebuild their house 10 times? How is this logic fair? This demonstrates how there is no such thing as federal money. Money has to come from somewhere, another state for example.
I am sympathetic towards everyone who lost something or someone in these storms, but if power was returned to the states things would be more effective and efficient than anything the federal government could accomplish.
MichChamp02 said:I guess this is why I tend to side more with the liberal way of thinking; at least that attempts to accept the world as it is, rather than as it should be, and legislate for that.
...the constitution expressly provides that the legislature can tax and spend for the "general welfare."...
MichChamp02 said:MSUspartan said:Libertarians do not assume everyone is well educated. Libertarians simply believe the federal government is not responsible to solve everyone's problems.
If someones house is wiped out by a natural disaster 10 times and my house in another state isn't once, should I pay for that other person to rebuild their house 10 times? How is this logic fair? This demonstrates how there is no such thing as federal money. Money has to come from somewhere, another state for example.
I am sympathetic towards everyone who lost something or someone in these storms, but if power was returned to the states things would be more effective and efficient than anything the federal government could accomplish.
nothing you said refutes anything I said.
the libertarian way of thinking is predicated on individual liberty producing fair outcomes without the need for government intervention, which just doesn't work. In REAL LIFE individuals are subject to the market power of large insurers who may decide to charge prohibitively expensive premiums, or not insure anyone. they've often discriminated against people based on race and socio-economic status.
people also have no idea how risky their decision to live somewhere is. No one says to a home buyer "Hey, if you live here, there is a 42% chance your home may be destroyed by a tornado, a 5% chance of an earthquake, and here's how much it costs to insure against that risk..." it just doesn't happen.
and there is such a thing as federal money. Paul is wrong, his analysis is incomplete, it's expressly authorized in the constitution.
This way of thinking - what Paul is doing here - is typical of people who never understood the big picture of how the world works.
they limit themselves to a couple Econ 101 lessons, a quote from Adam Smith about the free market (taken out of context), and decide to ignore decades of human experience and evidence to the contrary when making their policy recommendations.
MSUspartan said:MichChamp02 said:nothing you said refutes anything I said.
the libertarian way of thinking is predicated on individual liberty producing fair outcomes without the need for government intervention, which just doesn't work. In REAL LIFE individuals are subject to the market power of large insurers who may decide to charge prohibitively expensive premiums, or not insure anyone. they've often discriminated against people based on race and socio-economic status.
people also have no idea how risky their decision to live somewhere is. No one says to a home buyer "Hey, if you live here, there is a 42% chance your home may be destroyed by a tornado, a 5% chance of an earthquake, and here's how much it costs to insure against that risk..." it just doesn't happen.
and there is such a thing as federal money. Paul is wrong, his analysis is incomplete, it's expressly authorized in the constitution.
This way of thinking - what Paul is doing here - is typical of people who never understood the big picture of how the world works.
they limit themselves to a couple Econ 101 lessons, a quote from Adam Smith about the free market (taken out of context), and decide to ignore decades of human experience and evidence to the contrary when making their policy recommendations.
Wouldn't it be better if each state in a disaster area had its "own FEMA"? The less federal government the better. Look how great of a job FEMA did for Hurricane Katrina.
"General welfare" in the Constitution was not intended to rebuild homes and entire lives. If you believe so then that is a very progressive style of thought. Unless I've repeatedly missed it where is it explicitly states so in the Constitution, please provide evidence.
On a side note, if all Paul supporters limited themselves to Econ 101 lessons they would be Keynesian .
Red and Guilty said:MSUspartan said:Wouldn't it be better if each state in a disaster area had its "own FEMA"? The less federal government the better. Look how great of a job FEMA did for Hurricane Katrina.
"General welfare" in the Constitution was not intended to rebuild homes and entire lives. If you believe so then that is a very progressive style of thought. Unless I've repeatedly missed it where is it explicitly states so in the Constitution, please provide evidence.
On a side note, if all Paul supporters limited themselves to Econ 101 lessons they would be Keynesian .
I don't think entry level econ gets you to Keynes.
MSUspartan said:Red and Guilty said:I don't think entry level econ gets you to Keynes.
Economics 202: Introduction to Macroeconomics at MSU is full of it. The professor doesn't have to come out at use the word Keynes to introduce Keynesian philosophy. When they teach macro they have to teach based on one type of theory or the class wouldn't exist.
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