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SEC Debunked

this article deserves to be widely read, and pasted on the ESPN forums over and over again.
 
agreed. I bookmarked it and think it's incredible.
 
Watch your back though, if you continually post that ESPNsucks might have you Whacked!
 
While I agree with the football synopsis (gotta laugh at the 3-8 bowl record vs Big Least!) the inclusion of attacks vs other aspects of the South are irritating at best. There should not be a need to include extraneous information of that nature in the attempt to push either the anti-SEC or the other anti-South (religion, et al) agenas. It loses integrity when bringing that into the mix and demonstrates a bias that goes beyond football and therefore becomes just a hatred of all things from the South as opposed to purely being a piece on how the SEC does not deserve the accolades it receives.

Let the football stats speak for and by themselves in the powerful way explained and leave it at that. There's my 2 pennies anyway.
 
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While I agree with the football synopsis (gotta laugh at the 3-8 bowl record vs Big Least!) the inclusion of attacks vs other aspects of the South are irritating at best. There should not be a need to include extraneous information of that nature in the attempt to push either the anti-SEC or the other anti-South (religion, et al) agenas. It loses integrity when bringing that into the mix and demonstrates a bias that goes beyond football and therefore becomes just a hatred of all things from the South as opposed to purely being a piece on how the SEC does not deserve the accolades it receives.

Let the football stats speak for and by themselves in the powerful way explained and leave it at that. There's my 2 pennies anyway.

is a hatred of all things from the South truly unwarranted though? I mean... certainly no one is perfect, but they seem to be a lot less perfect than most, more akin to a banana republic than the United States.

de Tocqueville noted as much in "Democracy in America" and this was close to 200 years ago.

the master/slave mentality went beyond black slavery... southern society has always been more heirarchical, less mobile, and less of a meritocracy. in the south, unlike the north with it's Puritan ethics & heritage, you didn't get ahead by hard work, but by virtue of birth. your station in life was wholly determined by who your parents were.

while this may have been the long term state of things, I would think, I would HOPE most educated people would recognize it as something that needed to be changed, rather than accepted.

sorry to get a little too philosophical, but the same mentality pervades athletics; wealthy SEC boosters don't acknowledge the rules & have no qualms about violating them. (of course, this happens everywhere, but it seems to be "the rule" in the south). while the south may be one of the poorest regions of the country, they still have enough to dump massive amounts into athletics and coaches' salaries, to the neglect of academics and student services.
 
There are plenty of things to bash about the North that it becomes moot. How many of the top 10 cities for violent crime and murder are in the North? That's just one of many things that can be looked at as things the North needs to improve on.

The article was about football and the author needed to stay on target to make it more powerful. Getting into the other stuff waters down the argument. Save that stuff for another article.

As someone who lived in Florida for 10 years, my only beef was the SEC bias. Everything else was a wash. Positives and negatives exist no matter where you live, who your neighbors are, etc. Grew up in Michigan, now live in NYC after that stint in Florida. No place is perfect. You'll find the Russians in NYC are primarily dickheads and assholes. In Michigan back then they couldn't get the employment fixed, it has only gotten worse. The roads were then and are now attrocious...in no small part due to politicians who are corrupt as hell coupled with the mafias that existed then and now.

Don't act like the North is perfect with all the extraneous BS. Focus on football and you have my agreement. Outside of that, there's enough ammunition to go both ways...and with the mentalities of the North and South today I'm thinking the South would actually win the Civil War if fought today since they provide a high percentage of troops to defend this great nation, which can only remain a great nation if we stop focusing on the negatives and being divisive. Together we stand, divided we fall. Today's society is too focused on blame and criticism instead of coming together and treating each other with a warm and welcoming nature. That's one area the South still excells and the North could learn a thing or two...but like I said, we are too focused on looking at the bad instead of taking a moment to recognize the good and bring it into our own lives.
 
is a hatred of all things from the South truly unwarranted though? I mean... certainly no one is perfect, but they seem to be a lot less perfect than most, more akin to a banana republic than the United States.

de Tocqueville noted as much in "Democracy in America" and this was close to 200 years ago.

the master/slave mentality went beyond black slavery... southern society has always been more heirarchical, less mobile, and less of a meritocracy. in the south, unlike the north with it's Puritan ethics & heritage, you didn't get ahead by hard work, but by virtue of birth. your station in life was wholly determined by who your parents were.

while this may have been the long term state of things, I would think, I would HOPE most educated people would recognize it as something that needed to be changed, rather than accepted.

sorry to get a little too philosophical, but the same mentality pervades athletics; wealthy SEC boosters don't acknowledge the rules & have no qualms about violating them. (of course, this happens everywhere, but it seems to be "the rule" in the south). while the south may be one of the poorest regions of the country, they still have enough to dump massive amounts into athletics and coaches' salaries, to the neglect of academics and student services.


If you recognize the value of a meritocracy, why would you hate all things Southern? Seems like you're not following your own rules.
 
The book is clearly broader than the football content


Call it the "book of Northern Aggression" maybe
 
The book is clearly broader than the football content


Call it the "book of Northern Aggression" maybe

Oh, I know the book is, but the article was written by someone who took excerpts from it to make their point about the SEC. The article therefore needed to remove everything not related to football, which would have made for a stronger statement.
 
Oh, I know the book is, but the article was written by someone who took excerpts from it to make their point about the SEC. The article therefore needed to remove everything not related to football, which would have made for a stronger statement.

I hate when people (like you) try to weasel out of things you don't like by pointing to something else.

why does it need to remove everything related to football?

If I say that 1 + 1 = 2, and I like apples, does it somehow make the math invalid? Would you dispute that equation because the post included a personal opinion?
 
There are plenty of things to bash about the North that it becomes moot. How many of the top 10 cities for violent crime and murder are in the North? That's just one of many things that can be looked at as things the North needs to improve on.

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well, like I said, which you apparently missed, certainly nobody is perfect, and that hardly disproves my point.
 
At the outset of the article on the SEC --

As part of his admittedly left-coast-leaning inspection of myths and misconceptions about the South, author Chuck Thompson dug out the numbers and facts in devoting an entire chapter to Southern football amid critiques of religion, politics, education and racism in his new book Better Off Without 'Em: A Northern Manifesto for Southern Secession (Simon & Schuster). Here's an excerpt:


The whole book has its "agenda" as I said initially and I haven't read it, but the football chapter is in the book, not taken from the book by another.

http://chuckthompson.com/
 
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After looking at the reviews online there are 6 .... Either 5-star or 1-star.

Seems the book would have only those who love/hate it
 
well, like I said, which you apparently missed, certainly nobody is perfect, and that hardly disproves my point.

So you agree not every Southern person is as bad as the book, article, and your comments make them out to be, right? There are positive virtues that Southerners bring to this great nation, right? Don't forget there are a large number of liberals, atheists, etc in the South who live amongst all those who are conservative, religious, etc. The book, the article, and your prior comments provide a perspective that implies there is little to no value of anything that comes out of the South, which is as misleading as one can get.
 
At the outset of the article on the SEC --

As part of his admittedly left-coast-leaning inspection of myths and misconceptions about the South, author Chuck Thompson dug out the numbers and facts in devoting an entire chapter to Southern football amid critiques of religion, politics, education and racism in his new book Better Off Without 'Em: A Northern Manifesto for Southern Secession (Simon & Schuster). Here's an excerpt:


The whole book has its "agenda" as I said initially and I haven't read it, but the football chapter is in the book, not taken from the book by another.

http://chuckthompson.com/

My bad Vic, I thought the article was written by someone other than the author of the book.
 
No prob - you made me go back and check to be sure.


Saw he did at book signing at Powell's in Portland yesterday - the nation's biggest book store in the nation's most liberal city, I bet the line was long!

Heh


And I used to travel to do business in the South quite a bit. It's a complex area of the country though I will say buddies of mine from MS, TN & TX used to tell "nigger jokes" just to get a rise out of me. Somewhere between "honest racism" and "ignorant political correctness" lies the real America.
 
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I bought the free 40-page excerpt and read it on the flight home. Champ, I believe you would enjoy the book very much.
 
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