Shooters

[Sbee]

I've never seen a MSU team shoot the ball this well through this point of the year, we had some really hot games like @ Purdue last year but this has been crazy. Of course this worries people because you can go cold and get upset but there's a flipside to that. we're an unselfish team making the extra pass now and if you have a lot of options to shoot you can be dangerous.

we're currently 1st nationally in 3pt %

Valentine 52%
Trice 42%
Forbes 51%
Clark 50%

46% as a team

 

[johnny2x2x]

The reason why we are shooting so well is we have 4 or 5 guys on the team who will always look to make the extra pass to get a guy an wide open look. We have the shooters to knock them down, but it's the unselfishness that's the reason for us leading the nation.

I like where this team is heading.

 

[Sbee]

The reason why we are shooting so well is we have 4 or 5 guys on the team who will always look to make the extra pass to get a guy an wide open look. We have the shooters to knock them down, but it's the unselfishness that's the reason for us leading the nation.

I like where this team is heading.

i will like it a lot more on wednesday when Bess plays too. I think Clark's emergence softens the blow of losing KK, but kaminski could fill in at the 5 in a pinch.

regardless I'm bullish on this team right now

 

[Spartanmack]

I'll like it a lot more when they do it against a team that doesn't stink - if they also don't give up a free throw attempts advantage of 2.6:1 or worse.

 

[Sbee]

I'll like it a lot more when they do it against a team that doesn't stink - if they also don't give up a free throw attempts advantage of 2.6:1 or worse.

How wonderfully contrarian of you

 

[Spartanmack]

How is that contrarian?

 

[Sbee]

How is that contrarian?

You're like bill laimbeer with his hands up saying "who, me?"

You'll never start a discussion but you'll always chime in to somehow discredit what I say. You do it on every board. It's predictable

 

[Spartanmack]

You're like bill laimbeer with his hands up saying "who, me?"

You'll never start a discussion but you'll always chime in to somehow discredit what I say. You do it on every board. It's predictable

When have I ever not owned anything I've said here? If anything you get the Laimbeer award for all the whining you do anytime someone disagrees with you. And I've started plenty of discussions on this board. But how is raising a legitimate concern discrediting what you've said? I'm not even disagreeing with you. I just took what you said a step further. They shoot well against crappy teams but they haven't been that good against the decent and good teams so far. That's a legitimate point. If you want to have a Go State circle jerk every time they beat a southeast Mississippi river basin valley state by 20 pts go to RCMB. There are legitimate concerns for this team and it's shown every time they play slightly tougher competition. Kentucky, Louisville, wisco and probably Arizona would beat this team by 15+. They have no inside scoring, they have no go-to guy to get clutch baskets and because of that they're gonna be hard pressed to shoot like that against a lot of better teams. Dawson is terrible on offense and they're likely to get out rebounded by a lot of teams because our front court can't stop fouling.

Until they can play like that against a top 15 or 20 teams, I'll temper my enthusiasm. So far what I'm most impressed by is Clark. If he continues to develop on this trajectory he will be a beast.

 

[Spartan23MSU]

You're like bill laimbeer with his hands up saying "who, me?"

You'll never start a discussion but you'll always chime in to somehow discredit what I say. You do it on every board. It's predictable

Thats funny and exactly how I picture him

You're like bill laimbeer with his hands up saying "who, me?"


Ill say this team is where it should be right now, we arent talent-laden by any means. We have lost the 3 contests that were any sort of challenge,It would have been nice to have a at least 1 win but on a moral victory scale we can hold our heads high. 2/3 of those losses were winnable and we were in the game until the end.

Im a little less bullish and more sideways on them, Dawson doesnt do much in big games and we dont have a "go to" player but more of an "even balanced" squad. I didnt see the ND game but I saw the Kansas game, we never finished a drive to the hoop and missed at least a dozen layups. 4th in the Big Ten and sneaking into the tourney is my guess.

 

[Spartanmack]

Thats funny and exactly how I picture him

You're like bill laimbeer with his hands up saying "who, me?"


Ill say this team is where it should be right now, we arent talent-laden by any means. We have lost the 3 contests that were any sort of challenge,It would have been nice to have a at least 1 win but on a moral victory scale we can hold our heads high. 2/3 of those losses were winnable and we were in the game until the end.

Im a little less bullish and more sideways on them, Dawson doesnt do much in big games and we dont have a "go to" player but more of an "even balanced" squad. I didnt see the ND game but I saw the Kansas game, we never finished a drive to the hoop and missed at least a dozen layups. 4th in the Big Ten and sneaking into the tourney is my guess.

Ha, that's basically exactly what I said above. Except I would say Duke was the closest thing to a moral victory unless you consider missing 20 layups and losing by 5 to a clearly overrated Kansas team a moral victory. As for the Laimbeer comparison, when have I ever not owned anything I've said? And if you look back, you'll see I'm right more often than not. And while it's way off the mark, I'd rather be a Laimbeer than one of the blind faith cheerleaders.

 

[Spartan23MSU]

Ha, that's basically exactly what I said above. Except I would say Duke was the closest thing to a moral victory unless you consider missing 20 layups and losing by 5 to a clearly overrated Kansas team a moral victory. As for the Laimbeer comparison, when have I ever not owned anything I've said? And if you look back, you'll see I'm right more often than not. And while it's way off the mark, I'd rather be a Laimbeer than one of the blind faith cheerleaders.

Confusion there, When I PICTURE LAIMBEER. I watched him play all those years and thats kind of my thought of him, has nothing to do with you.


Yeah those are my thoughts and were along the same lines of thinking. I didnt use your post as reference for my own.

 

[Spartanmack]

Confusion there, When I PICTURE LAIMBEER. I watched him play all those years and thats kind of my thought of him, has nothing to do with you.


Yeah those are my thoughts and were along the same lines of thinking. I didnt use your post as reference for my own.

Simple misunderstanding on my part. Sorry for the confusion.

 

[Spartan23MSU]

Simple misunderstanding on my part. Sorry for the confusion.

All good

 

[Sbee]

I look at the 3 losses, Duke was clearly the better team, I think we played really well in that game but they were clearly better. I think Kansas is actually a good team but they didn't play well against us, we didn't either, just a contest of two decent teams who played shitty basketball. ND was the result of 4 games in 7 days, travel, not having the legs, etc. I think we'd beat them by 8-10 if healthy and rested.

as for the foul concern, of course that's legitimate. I started a thread on this board pointing out the differential.

 

[MSUMatt28]

This IS a good shooting team but their inability to get to the free throw line will do them in in games where the shots aren't falling.

The player who seems to look all-world against scrubs and then does nothing against anyone halfway decent is Costello. Clark is kind of that way too, but that's somewhat expected of a freshman.

 

[Spartanmack]

I've seen Kansas play a bunch this year. They may end up getting their act together but right now they're not good - we missed a ton of layups and got out-rebounded and were in it the whole way. Notre Dame has no good wins so that's two pretty bad losses. We played well in the loss to Duke but even then they were never going to win that game. They'll face teams that can guard the perimeter much better than these other opponents and with no inside presence and no "go to" clutch player, it's going to be tough.

I think they'll do well enough to make the tournament but they're a player or two away from competing for a conference title or making any kind of run in the tournament. And right now I don't think that player is on the roster waiting to get in the game.

 

[Sbee]

on the topic of shooters, Forbes is finally playing without the cast on his left hand and he's 10 of 13 from deep in the last 3 games

 

[LuciousGameWinner]

I think Kansas is a pretty bad team to be honest. I also believe the Spartans played an awful game against them. Also how many times did Costello/Dawson/Schilling fall for Ellis' spin move? Did they not watch the tape? That's his only move.

 

[Sbee]

I think Kansas is a pretty bad team to be honest. I also believe the Spartans played an awful game against them. Also how many times did Costello/Dawson/Schilling fall for Ellis' spin move? Did they not watch the tape? That's his only move.

I've watched them play some decent teams and they can look great and look awful, they were down big vs florida and came back and won, up big against Utah and almost lost. I think both teams played poorly in that game, it's not like Kansas lit it up from the field either