Shutdown motivation

[Gulo Blue]

Did anyone benefit from the shutdown? Aren't Wall St lobbyists supposed to pulling all the strings behind it all? How do you make sense of current degree of brinksmanship from the cynical perspective?

 

[byco42]

If we were an intelligent electorate, we'd evict every single Senator and Congressperson from their offices in the next election. All 535 of them in one, dynamic, grass-roots coup d' vox popular. The Executive Branch is going to turn over on its own, of course, but I'd advocate a single, six-year term for the president. One of the few amendments to the Constitution that the Confederate Congress got right.

 

[Gulo Blue]

If we were an intelligent electorate, we'd evict every single Senator and Congressperson from their offices in the next election. All 535 of them in one, dynamic, grass-roots coup d' vox popular. The Executive Branch is going to turn over on its own, of course, but I'd advocate a single, six-year term for the president. One of the few amendments to the Constitution that the Confederate Congress got right.

What about Elizabeth Warren? Can we keep her?

 

[byco42]

What about Elizabeth Warren? Can we keep her?

No. They are all accountable for this present state of affairs. Anyone who would want to participate in that process knowing the old guard is in control until they die only so they can take their place is as tainted as the ones who have been in office for decades.

 

[Michchamp]

No. They are all accountable for this present state of affairs. Anyone who would want to participate in that process knowing the old guard is in control until they die only so they can take their place is as tainted as the ones who have been in office for decades.

to be fair, I wouldn't even go so far as to say boot every senate or house republican (despite how some of them voted).

Ted Cruz and his handful of clowns were motivated to cause this shutdown to increase their own standing in the GOP and really push aside the shriveled remains of the "moderate" core of the Party, and get it all on board with the Tea Party.

I think he was banking on a couple things:
1.) all the blabber from talking heads in the media about how the GOP needed to "reach out" to hispanic americans in order to win the presidency... and he could be that guy!
2.) overestimated Obama's unpopularity/strength of the "Tea PArty" movement
3.) if he fails, and it blows up in his face, the public will either (a) be confused and have no idea who to blame or (b) forget about it by the time the '16 presidential election rolls around.

 

[Michchamp]

Did anyone benefit from the shutdown? Aren't Wall St lobbyists supposed to pulling all the strings behind it all? How do you make sense of current degree of brinksmanship from the cynical perspective?

I think the Tea Party really did overstep its bounds.

it's one thing to merely talk crazy about cutting back on the size of government, but when you actually start to stop the REAL welfare payments that go to big time farmers, ranchers, tech subsidies, defense industry/contractors, etc., you stop inspecting food and drugs and the public stops buying them en masse because of contamination fears, then you get "WHOA!! hey! We didn't mean THAT part of government was bad... just the parts that benefited people who can't afford lobbyists! Are you Tea Partiers CRAZY???"

 

[Sbee]

Better idea, stop gerrymandering in districts. More votes are placed for house dema but republicans have a majority of the seats. I'm not advocating all dems but if you eliminate the hostile minority by having a congress based on proportional reprrsentation

 

[byco42]

to be fair, I wouldn't even go so far as to say boot every senate or house republican (despite how some of them voted).

Ted Cruz and his handful of clowns were motivated to cause this shutdown to increase their own standing in the GOP and really push aside the shriveled remains of the "moderate" core of the Party, and get it all on board with the Tea Party.

I think he was banking on a couple things:
1.) all the blabber from talking heads in the media about how the GOP needed to "reach out" to hispanic americans in order to win the presidency... and he could be that guy!
2.) overestimated Obama's unpopularity/strength of the "Tea PArty" movement
3.) if he fails, and it blows up in his face, the public will either (a) be confused and have no idea who to blame or (b) forget about it by the time the '16 presidential election rolls around.

I think the guy was just saying what he believed and has no real concerns over the fallout. If you think that this small cadre of politicians was responsible for shutting down the government, I disagree. Takes two groups of clowns to create this fiasco. It's still a fiasco that's funded now.