The official MICHIGAN-South Carolina game thread

[Spartanmack]

Not that I really believe you aren't here to start an argument and not that I probably won't regret even acknowledging you

but

We don't put a lot of criticism on Harbaugh and one of the reasons is his success everywhere else and that we believe that he is probably not going anywhere and we don't want him to. The same cannot be said about some of his assistant coaches. Every fan of football thinks the quick fix is to fire this coach or that coach, but even as Dantonio showed, sometimes keeping the coach(es) is the right answer.

We need someone to blame. That is just a human knee jerk response to a situation. The assistants are easy targets.

They're easy targets because they deserve it - Harbaugh does too so far. I think it would be crazy to fire him, but it's completely fair to criticize him and say he disappointed so far. It's completely reasonable to be talking about whether coordinators need to be replaced or the staff needs to be restructured - that falls to Harbaugh. I'm not saying it's a must but it's a reasonable point to make.

I don't think Dantonio showed that keeping coaches is the right answer. I hate that we have co-coordinators and we have them on both sides. Bollman never should have been hired and Warner should have been fired years ago. Warner and Bollman are getting a lot of credit this year for "opening up the playbook" but our offense is still very conservative, predictable and boring. I think they're getting way too much credit for that. To me, it seems like a mostly mediocre B1G and Lewerke's ability to extend and make plays is being interpreted as "opening up the playbook". Barnett seems to have peaked as a position coach but it would be tough to demote him. The defense has improved - in my opinion that has more to do with the loss of Malik McDowell and a couple other bad apples than coaches whipping the team into shape. And it's not like 2013 where they can compete well even against elite teams.

 

[wlvrnstlr4life]

But Harbaugh hired these guys. If the problems have been going on all year long why hasn't he fixed them? It is most certainly his job to make adjustments from game to game, isn't it. I doubt he has ZERO input in the way the game is called.

I'm not trying to start arguments......but I've never seen a fan base from any sport, pro or college, put as little on the head coach as U of M fans do. It's as if he has no control over any part of the team except recruiting.

Bad offense- must be the OC
Bad defense- must be the D.C.
Not prepared-must be the coordinators game plans
No heart-must be the kids

You must not read very well. We have been bitching about all of this. You are being selective in your reading.

 

[hungry]

Harbaugh doesn't get a pass. He needs to coach better. I don't think anyone gives him a pass. No one is to the "FIRE HARBAUGFHAHA!!" stage as of this point.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Michigan fans, why would any of us on this board ever respond to any Spartan troll asking us how we feel or don't feel about anything?

Let them stay on their own board and deal with their own shit. If they want to talk about us on their own board fine fuck them. I'm not going to pay attention to anything they say.

 

[hungry]

Michigan fans, why would any of us on this board ever respond to any Spartan troll asking us how we feel or don't feel about anything?

Let them stay on their own board and deal with their own shit. If they want to talk about us on their own board fine fuck them. I'm not going to pay attention to anything they say.

Good words to live by

 

[Gulo Blue]

Michigan fans, why would any of us on this board ever respond to any Spartan troll asking us how we feel or don't feel about anything?

Let them stay on their own board and deal with their own shit. If they want to talk about us on their own board fine fuck them. I'm not going to pay attention to anything they say.

I this case, I think it's a little interesting that the question keeps coming up. For pretty much anyone that's posting online, we've gone through the best decade of Spartan football and worst decade of Michigan football of their life and some of them still need more schadenfreude. "Guys, you've got this coach that's had so much success, everyone said you could never hire him, why haven't you figured out that he sucks? I'm not saying he sucks, but why don't you cry about how he sucks?" It's not a real question, it's a desire for more schadenfreude.

 

[Michchamp]

Michigan fans, why would any of us on this board ever respond to any Spartan troll asking us how we feel or don't feel about anything?

Let them stay on their own board and deal with their own shit. If they want to talk about us on their own board fine fuck them. I'm not going to pay attention to anything they say.

I was over there running my mouth all week... I personally deserve it.

though I didn't think the bowl would be an easy win for us, unlike some people.

I had hope - though I shouldn't have had hope - that with a month off, the offense wouldn't be our achilles' heel. again. just like they were four (4) times before, and nearly were against Florida.

 

[tinselwolverine]

I this case, I think it's a little interesting that the question keeps coming up. For pretty much anyone that's posting online, we've gone through the best decade of Spartan football and worst decade of Michigan football of their life and some of them still need more schadenfreude. "Guys, you've got this coach that's had so much success, everyone said you could never hire him, why haven't you figured out that he sucks? I'm not saying he sucks, but why don't you cry about how he sucks?" It's not a real question, it's a desire for more schadenfreude.

The question keeps coming up from them just because they're trolling. There is plenty of criticism of Harbaugh from us Michigan fans on our own board, and the Spartan trolls know it.

We all know that schadenfreude means taking glee in the misery of the others; what better way to do that in the cyber universe than trolling?

Anytime someone starts a post with "I'm not here to start an argument," what that really means is, "I'm here to start an argument."

 

[Spartanmack]

The question keeps coming up from them just because they're trolling. There is plenty of criticism of Harbaugh from us Michigan fans on our own board, and the Spartan trolls know it.

We all know that schadenfreude means taking glee in the misery of the others; what better way to do that in the cyber universe than trolling?

Anytime someone starts a post with "I'm not here to start an argument," what that really means is, "I'm here to start an argument."

I haven't started any of my posts that way and I've generally agreed with a lot of uofm fans here - except when hungry said Dantonio proved not firing assistants was the right thing to do. I don't think boogerlovejoy was trying to stir up crap. There were a couple of mean spirited comments but they seemed more like one off, hit-and-run type jabs than attempts to start arguments. Hard to say, everyone reads these posts through their own tainted lens, and they often read sentiments differently than others, and likely differently than the actual poster intended.

 

[tinselwolverine]

I haven't started any of my posts that way and I've generally agreed with a lot of uofm fans here - except when hungry said Dantonio proved not firing assistants was the right thing to do. I don't think boogerlovejoy was trying to stir up crap. There were a couple of mean spirited comments but they seemed more like one off, hit-and-run type jabs than attempts to start arguments. Hard to say, everyone reads these posts through their own tainted lens, and they often read sentiments differently than others, and likely differently than the actual poster intended.

Yeah, you haven't initiated any of the discussions; you've only responded to M fans responding to the trolls.

I wasn't including you as a troll.

Boogerlover has been trolling Michigan threads for fifteen years now, going back to ESPN. I just ignore him.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

Yeah, you haven't initiated any of the discussions; you've only responded to M fans responding to the trolls.

I wasn't including you as a troll.

Boogerlover has been trolling Michigan threads for fifteen years now, going back to ESPN. I just ignore him.

What??? You're just wrong Tinsel.....I generally come here on MSU/U of M game days and that's about it. If that's trolling then fine, so be it.

It does raise another point, though. Why are you so damn defensive when I ask an honest question about Harbaugh? God forbid anyone question the Messiah after what, by all accounts, was an extremely disappointing season.

 

[Gulo Blue]

God forbid anyone question the Messiah after what, by all accounts, was an extremely disappointing season.

Still unconvinced that people are questioning Harbaugh? You said earlier you hadn't read much. Your position was uninformed. Now that you've been informed, you're sticking to your original uniformed impression. That's the kind of thing that's going to result in trolling labels.

 

[lostleader]

Still unconvinced that people are questioning Harbaugh? You said earlier you hadn't read much. Your position was uninformed. Now that you've been informed, you're sticking to your original uniformed impression. That's the kind of thing that's going to result in trolling labels.

I would say that 95% of what I have read after the bowl game as been down grading to Harbaugh, and the majority of the finger pointing is at him. I will say that probably 75% of the articles want to give him one more year before they are calling for his head, but I would say that Harbaugh deserves to have the "hot seat" label headed into next season.

 

[Gulo Blue]

I would say that 95% of what I have read after the bowl game as been down grading to Harbaugh, and the majority of the finger pointing is at him. I will say that probably 75% of the articles want to give him one more year before they are calling for his head, but I would say that Harbaugh deserves to have the "hot seat" label headed into next season.

I don't. Hot seat takes are overreacting. I think people have already forgotten that Michigan was good last year, beat MSU, went to 2 OTs vs OSU, and the other 2 losses were both by 1 point. We knew we were going to take a step back this year and we did. It exposed some issues on the offensive side that needs to be fixed, and changes are being made.

 

[Spartanmack]

I don't. Hot seat takes are overreacting. I think people have already forgotten that Michigan was good last year, beat MSU, went to 2 OTs vs OSU, and the other 2 losses were both by 1 point. We knew we were going to take a step back this year and we did. It exposed some issues on the offensive side that needs to be fixed, and changes are being made.

Everybody beat MSU last year.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Everybody beat MSU last year.

So what?

 

[Spartanmack]

So what?

So it doesn't merit mentioning in a list of last year's accomplishments. As accomplishments go, it ranks somewhere near "he didn't put his khakis on backwards even once."

 

[tinselwolverine]

So it doesn't merit mentioning in a list of last year's accomplishments. As accomplishments go, it ranks somewhere near "he didn't put his khakis on backwards even once."

Sorry dude, but the Sparty trolls count the overall year to year record against the Spartans as relevant, regardless of how good or bad the overall record of each team was.

Show me a single troll post within which the the Spartan trolls don't.

Spartan trolls can claim they're not trying to have it both ways...but that's just what Spartan trolls do.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Sorry dude, but the Sparty trolls count the overall year to year record against the Spartans as relevant, regardless of how good or bad the overall record of each team was.

Show me a single troll post within which the the Spartan trolls don't.

Spartan trolls can claim they're not trying to have it both ways...but that's just what Spartan trolls do.

Pretty much exactly what I was going to say. When the shoe is on the other foot it's all "throw out the record book for rivalry games" and you definitely don't see Spartans adding Rich Rodriguez/Steven Threet/everybody beat Michigan that year caveats when they talk about their recent win count.

 

[lostleader]

I don't. Hot seat takes are overreacting. I think people have already forgotten that Michigan was good last year, beat MSU, went to 2 OTs vs OSU, and the other 2 losses were both by 1 point. We knew we were going to take a step back this year and we did. It exposed some issues on the offensive side that needs to be fixed, and changes are being made.

Beating MSU last year is great for rivalry stats but it was no real accomplishment. Losing to Iowa is not even excusable for a team that was undefeated at the time. That lose was just a lack of preparation on the coaches part, that and the soft pink locker room. Losing to OSU is what it is, it has all become the norm. Honestly I missed most of the FSU game for work, and only remember being in the game late.

So maybe this is because Harbaugh brought in grad transfer QB's instead of working with a QB or recruiting one and developing one right away and Michigan take its lumps. I know UM wasn't exactly stacked at the QB position when he arrived, but its time to have a QB he had developed. The Offensive line is still a mess and the running game is about as dependable at JT Barrett.

So yeah going into year 4 with no real "signature" win and 3 loses to OSU, I'd say the pressure should be on the 7 million dollar man. Harbaugh should be the best man for the job, No one in the country fits the mold for our coach better than him. I also believe that no one is more upset about not winning than him, and I believe he will turn it around and next year will be better, but I don't know if it will satisfy the demands of the fan base.