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Game 10: Lions @ Bears Thread

Yep. We have an elite kicker and an elite CB. The rest of the team is filled with inconsistent players.

Stafford is very good, but he's handcuffed by poor play calling during a time we should be going for the throat. Cooter and Caldwell made this game losable
 
Stafford is very good, but he's handcuffed by poor play calling during a time we should be going for the throat. Cooter and Caldwell made this game losable

Partly. Other times when plays work there may be a drop, or there may be a flat out poor throw.

Feels like everyone makes one or two more mistakes or doesn't make a play like you see elite teams do.
 
I can't remember who the throw was to, but it was wide open middle of the field, clean pocket, just a canyon for a lane, and poor throw.

Or the throw to TJ Jones that was almost picked, good read, good throw but TJ had little awareness and didn't realize or couldn't adjust allowing the defender to come underneath and nearly make a interception. If he just slowed up his route a tad or cut it a bit shorter once the ball was in the air, big gain.
 
Not pretty, but a win is a win, and it was a division game, so it's not all bad.

That being said, I don't have a great feeling about Thursday's game.
 
This team is a coin flip, they could lose to a bad team, or beat a solid team. This is what I'm starting to accept. The aren't a good team, somewhere right in the middle.

The thing is, they haven't lost to any bad teams this year. They're good enough to overcome their mistakes against bad teams, but aren't so fortunate against better teams.
 
The thing is, they haven't lost to any bad teams this year. They're good enough to overcome their mistakes against bad teams, but aren't so fortunate against better teams.

Barely, theyre barely good enough to beat bad teams, and barely good enough to lose close games to good teams.
 
The Lions make comments about not overlooking the Browns, not overlooking the Bears. Then why do they look like they overlooked both badly? Like didn't even game plan for them, badly?
 
Matt Prater missed a kick from beyond 45 yards. Then he missed another, and another.

It was just warmups, but the conditions were obvious. Winds were swirling, temperatures were dipping and not even the greatest long-distance kicker in Detroit Lions history would be immune.

Then the Lions offense stalled at the 34-yard line, locked in a 24-24 tie with the Bears. They would need a 52-yard field goal from Prater, who struggled to hit from 45 during warmups.

And Prater rose to the challenge.

He pounded the ball through the uprights, mere inches over the crossbar, and Detroit held on for a huge 27-24 win Sunday against the Bears. And illustrating just how difficult that kick was, Chicago's Connor Barth missed a potential equalizer from 46 with 3 seconds left.

The Lions (6-4) have now won three straight games to remain two back of the first-place Vikings, who were in the process of winning their sixth in a row as Detroit's went final. And that sets up a showdown next week on Thanksgiving at Ford Field between the last two contenders in the NFC North.

Detroit, by the way, is unbeaten on Thanksgiving under Jim Caldwell. It has won nine straight November games, actually, and is 11-3 in the month overall. That's a league high.

This team is getting hot, at just the right time. And as we head into Week 12, the Lions' title hopes -- however slim -- remain very much alive.

Here are some observations:

-- Playing behind his No. 1 offensive line for the first time this season, Matthew Stafford needed exactly one series to fumble for the seventh time this season. On the next series, he sailed a pass high to a wide-open Marvin Jones on third down. It was an awful piece of football, and played a major role in the early 10-0 deficit. And then he went on a tear, completing 9 of his final 11 passes of the half. Two were touchdowns, a beautiful 28-yarder to Marvin Jones and another to an uncovered Ameer Abdullah. His final line: 21 of 31 passing for 299 yards, two touchdowns, no interceptions and a passer rating of 120.2.

-- What's crazy is, Stafford did the damage without getting much at all from his No. 1 receiver. Golden Tate has been on a pitch count for a month now because of a shoulder injury, and seemed to play an even more reduced role against Chicago. He didn't catch his first pass until the 2-minute warning of the first half, and finished with three catches for 32 yards overall. That breaks a four-game streak of at least 85 receiving yards, which was an NFL high the last two years.

But Stafford was able to continue rolling against a pretty good defense by targeting his secondary wideouts. On one of his best throws the day, he threw the ball for the end zone just as Marvin Jones was putting a move on his man. Jones wasn't open yet, but Stafford knew he'd be, and where. He feathered a 28-yard pass for the end zone, and Jones caught it easily, his sixth TD of the year. Jones finished with four catches overall for 85 yards and the score. TJ Jones chipped in four catches for 55 yards, and Kenny Golladay added two for 52 yards.

-- Ten games into the season, Bob Quinn finally got to see his top offensive line intact. So how'd they do? Offensive line play is always best evaluated on film, but to the naked eye, results seemed middling. And the two big free-agent signings had two of the biggest blunders, with Rick Wagner getting beat on the Stafford fumble and T.J. Lang whiffing on a fourth-quarter sack. That killed a promising scoring drive, and Detroit settled for a Matt Prater field goal that made it 24-17 with 10:01 left. Then Lang committed a bad penalty coming out of the 2-minute warning, as Detroit was trying to drive for a go-ahead score in a 24-all game. And the tailbacks managed just 57 yards on 20 carries.

It's hard to say where the Lions would be without their defense and special teams, but probably not 6-4. And once again, they came up big when the offense needed them most. Stafford's early struggles dug Detroit into a 10-0 hole, and it would have been 17-0 had D.J. Hayden not returned a fumbled snap 27 yards for a touchdown. He became the fifth defensive player to score this season, compared to eight from the offense itself. And it was the seventh time this season that Detroit scored on a return, which matches a team record with six games to go. How does a team ranked 15th in total offense average the sixth most points, as Detroit had done coming into this one? That's how. And they did it again, when the Lions needed it most.

-- The Lions got a scare in the second half when Jamal Agnew went down with a left knee injury. Agnew has been the NFL's most explosive return man, and he's still the only man who has returned multiple punts/kicks for touchdowns. He moonlighted on offense too, first as a decoy in the first half and then achieving another first down on another run in the second. Ameer Abdullah replaced him as the kick returner. Losing Agnew would be a real blow for Detroit, which has weathered some ups and downs from the offense thanks to return scores -- much like the ones Agnew has provided. And his offensive packages have been successful the last three weeks too.

What is wrong with the rush defense? That's a question that was posed to Jim Caldwell and Teryl Austin last week, after Cleveland gashed them for 201 yards rushing. They didn't have any substantive answers, saying only it was a bunch of little things they needed to correct. Well, apparently they didn't do that, because Chicago pummeled them for another 222 yards on Sunday. Jordan Howard was so good, including rushing for 37 yards on four straight fourth-quarter carries. Then Tarik Cohen punched it in from 15 yards out, and the Bears had tied the game with 5:02 left, forcing Prater's dramatics.

-- Has Eric Ebron shaken off his early-season struggles? He caught another four passes for 49 yards against Chicago, including a big 26-yarder that positioned Prater for his game-winning field goal.

-- Detroit beat Chicago, Minnesota and Green Bay on the road to open divisional play this year. This is the first time in the Super Bowl era they've gone unbeaten on the road within the division. Now they get all three of those teams once more, all back at Ford Field, where they've struggled a bit this season but have overall been good under Jim Caldwell.

Prater drilled the winning 52-yard field goal with 1:35 to play, as the Lions beat the Bears, 27-24, to stay within striking distance of the streaking Minnesota Vikings heading into Thursday’s Thanksgiving showdown.

The Lions came out sluggish for the second straight week against one of the NFL’s worst teams. Jordan Howard ran for 69 yards on his first five carries and the Bears scored the game’s first 10 points.

But for the second straight week, a defensive touchdown — this one on a fumble return by DJ Hayden — sparked the comeback, and Prater delivered in the game’s biggest moment.

With the score tied at 24, Matthew Stafford led the 31st game-winning drive of his career, one that the Lions almost gave away after the two-minute warning.

T.J. Lang was called for a holding penalty. Kenny Golladay dropped a pass. And Stafford threw two incompletions, to leave the Lions in a fourth-and-18 at the Chicago 34-yard line.

Enter Prater, who’s now 7-for-10 on 50-plus-yard field goals this year.

With temperatures hovering just above freezing, Prater sent his 52-yard kick just over the crossbar.

The Lions' run of scoring return touchdowns is nothing short of amazing. Hayden's 27-yard fumble return was a team-record-tying seventh of the year. The Lions now have five defensive touchdowns — Glover Quin, Killebrew, A'Shawn Robinson and Nevin Lawson have the others — and two on punt returns by Jamal Agnew.

He didn’t have any real impact on the game, but the Lions gave rookie Teez Tabor some run with their first-team defense in Sunday’s first half. Tabor played one series at right cornerback and was in on both nickel and dime packages (with Darius Slay and Quandre Diggs at the other CB spots). Lions coach Jim Caldwell said recently Tabor had been practicing well, and this was a chance to get him some work.

The Lions did suffer one potentially impactful injury Sunday when Agnew left in the second half with a left knee injury. Agnew has been one of the NFL’s best returners this year, and not having him for Thursday’s game would be a big loss. Ameer Abdullah handled the Lions’ lone kickoff chance after Agnew left.

The Bears had little trouble on their first series. Chicago came out and marched through the Lions' defense, picking up five first downs (three by passing, two by running), as Chicago got into the red zone.

For the first time in the Super Bowl era, the Detroit Lions have swept their division opponents on the road. It wasn’t pretty, but the Lions went into Solider Field, overcame some early deficits to rally past the Chicago Bears, 27-24, on Sunday.

The outcome was in doubt until the closing seconds, when Bears kicker Connor Barth sent a potential game-tying field goal wide right.

On paper, the matchup looked like it might be a defensive struggle, but sloppy defense resulted in a high-scoring first half.

Stafford finished the game 21-for-31 for 299 yards, two touchdowns and no interceptions.

After stalling on the ground in the third quarter, the Bears got back on track the ensuing possession. Howard, who was held to zero yards on four carries in the previous quarter, gained 37 yards on four straight totes to open the possession.

A 15-yard personal penalty on defensive end Jeremiah Valoaga for a low hit on Trubisky got the Bears into the red zone, where the team got scatback Tarik Cohen into the open field on a misdirection to the pitch. He leaped into the end zone to complete the 15-yard touchdown to tie the game at 24 with 4:59 remaining.

This week's Detroit Lions game had a similar feel to the one that preceded it: The Lions played down to their competition at the start, a lot of people overreacted, and then the boys in silver and blue put it together in the second quarter. While this week's contest didn't have the decisiveness of Week 10's matchup with the Browns, Detroit handled Chicago's offense, save the second half scoring drive, after Jordan Howard's second touchdown.

Still, the showcase put on by Howard and Tarik Cohen left much to be desired in the Lions' running defense, especially at the edges. Getting Ziggy Ansah healthy might help, but his absence does not absolve the rest of the defense from giving up 222 yards on the ground.

Stafford responded by finding Marvin Jones for 17 yards on a third down and connecting with tight end Eric Ebron for 26 when his defender lost his footing. A holding call against Lang iced Detroit’s offensive momentum, but a 52-yard Prater field goal with 1:40 remaining put the Lions back up, 27-24.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=400951701
Boxscore.

http://www.detroitlions.com/media-center/video/recent-videos.html
Webvideo Highlights of the Lions Win over the bears.

Stafford’s second quarter: After completing just 4 of 6 passes for 42 yards with no touchdowns, a fumble and a passer rating of 86.8, Stafford was lights out in the second quarter.

Stafford completed nine of his 11 pass attempts in the second quarter for 153 yards and two scores for a perfect passer rating of 158.3. The Lions trailed 10-0 at the end of the first quarter. They led 21-17 at halftime.

QB Comparison: Stafford finished the game 21-of-31 passing for 299 yards with two touchdowns, no interceptions and a passer rating of 120.2.

Mitchell Trubisky completed 18 of his 30 passes for 179 yards with a touchdown and no interceptions. He finished with a passer rating of 88.1.

Key stat(s): The Bears rushed for 222 yards in the game. It marks the second consecutive week the Lions have allowed more than 200 rushing yards on defense (201 to Cleveland last week). The Lions won both games.

http://www.detroitlions.com/news/oh...the-edge/782c3548-8a9f-486e-a1ba-fef4388779a3
BURNING QUESTIONS: What gave Lions the edge?
Lions.com

Wide receiver Marvin Jones Jr. led the team with four receptions for 85 yards and a score. Both tight end Eric Ebron and receiver T.J. Jones had four catches each as well.

The Lions continue to struggle on the ground. Running back Ameer Abdullah rushed for 22 yards on 11 carries. But he also had a touchdown reception. Running back Theo Riddick was able to rush for 35 yards on just nine carries against the Bears.

Defensively, linebacker Tahir Whitehead led the team with nine total tackles. Safety Tavon Wilson posted seven combined tackles. Both defensive ends Cornelius Washington and Jeremiah Ledbetter recorded half a sack each.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-refocused-detroit-lions-27-chicago-bears-24
Refocused: Detroit Lions 27, Chicago Bears 24. Slay Game Ball Player of the Game.
PFF

http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2017/11/jamal_agnew_the_nfls_top_retur.html#incart_river_index
Jamal Agnew, the NFL's top return man, will undergo medical testing on knee.
Mlive

https://www.prideofdetroit.com/2017/11/19/16676924/detroit-lions-chicago-bears-what-just-happened
Lions vs Bears: What Just Happened?
A collection of thoughts on the Lions’ Week 11 game.
POD

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/sp...s-prater-delivers-d-line-flounders/107857602/
Lions grades: Prater delivers, D-line flunks.
Detnews
 
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That 4 and 13 was pathetic. All day you then me then you then all of us were calling for pressure on this qb... pathtic pass rush .

The best part of that play was whitehead and his shitty recognition. first He got caught in no mans land then He was runing the complete wrong way... he looked like a a lead blocker for tribusky.
 
They shouldnt go down or be tied to a bad team like the bears.

Why, because you say so? This is the NFL, bud. Any given Sunday. Bears play tough at home. They beat the Steelers at home too. A win is a motherfucking win. Take it, learn from some of the mistakes and move the fuck on to the Vikings. Quit bitching ffs......
 
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Why, because you say so? This is the NFL, bud. Any given Sunday. Bears play tough at home. They beat the Steelers at home too. A win is a motherfucking win. Take it, learn from some of the mistakes and move the fuck on to the Vikings. Quit bitching ffs......

Right, the bears beat the Steelers, ravens, and panthers. Not a bad list of teams. Also the Vikings only won 20-17 on the road in Chicago as well.
 
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