Lions anti-homer thought processes

[schles192]

"Stafford doesn't make receivers better like other quarterbacks"

Wtf is golden tate doing right now? The dude is on pace for....1600 yards!

I'm sure there will be some lame excuses. But if any of our receivers did better elsewhere stafford would be. Chewed up.

List the guys that were nobodies before Stafford started throwing to them. I can't think of a 1 because they are still nobodies because stafford sucks. That's why we need top draft picks and the best FA's.

 

[biggunsbob]

With CJ hurt we really have not seen enough games with Calvin and Golden together to see if and when it will work.. The sample size is just too small... We shall see. Even LKP said Matt had a horrible first half in England. We all know he needs to be more accurate. If he does he will become elite...I am pretty sure a large percent of Tate's yards are be because of YaC's.. But he also had two freaking ropes to Tate in the falcon's game.. The TD and the one to start the drive for the winning TD.. Now Tate did make a great catch on the second one I mentioned .. Tate is way better then I thought he was... Great pick up...

 

[brewer229]

Seattle had special circumstances compared to most teams on defense. It amazes me some of the conclusions that people jump too

It was in reference to the complete post. I really didn't understand his post, it seemed to contradict itself. To me it sounded like a QB has little to do with the end result, they only improve players slightly is my take from his post.

The DanO leading Seattle to a title seemed so stupid I can't imagine he was serious.

 

[sggatecl]

Stafford has been amazing this season, anyone that disagrees is just a hater

Eeek. That's disturbing.

Quick, one of you spin this so I feel better.

 

[cheeno]

Football Outsiders and their damn anti-homer thought process.

 

[zoombabyzoom]

It was in reference to the complete post. I really didn't understand his post, it seemed to contradict itself. To me it sounded like a QB has little to do with the end result, they only improve players slightly is my take from his post.

The DanO leading Seattle to a title seemed so stupid I can't imagine he was serious.

QBs won't make a bad WR a great WR. Just won't happen. Sure they can make good WRs better and vise versa but the whole idea of QBs "making" WRs is crazy.

Take a look at the better QBs in the league, most if not all have had down years. Coincidentally those years also mark where the team had a poor surrounding cast. Whether it is from lack of talent on roster, suspensions, or injuries it completely voids the whole argument of QBs making bum WRs into pro bowler caliber playmakers. Now, the opposite can be said of bad QBs, they can make their WRs a little worse but they can't make a pro bowl WR into the likes of Jeremy Ross.

Take any QBs top 6-7 playmakers off the team and that QB is gonna struggle. Give that same QB a great defense, offensive line, coaching staff, special teams and running game and watch magic happen.

People are so quick to discard Stafford for any reason that they contradict themselves. Sure, he may not be that good. But, I know one thing we haven't had the chance yet to know. The Lions haven't had the slightest bit of an actual team to help a QB. Sure we have brought in weapons for him, but they are always hurt which means he doesn't have weapons. Offensive line is up and down and only till now has the defense done anything. Sure all teams have injuries but not like the Lions.

For a QB to do well in this league so many things have to go right, it's not just because that QB is so good. It's circumstances. I can't name a season where Stafford has had a mostly healthy offense, a good offensive line, decent running game and a good defense. Shit, I can't think of a season where two of those things happened. However, I can name a shit ton of seasons for the top QBs in the league where at least 3 of those 4 have happened.

 

[dtroitlionsfan951]

stats like what? yards? Stafford will always get yards....especially when we cant run worth a lick. Tom Brady has ALWAYS been a better qb than Stafford. Tom finished top 10 in qbr last year...Stafford has never sniffed the top 10 in qbr. Stafford was 17. Stafford has an 86 qb rating this year and is bottom 10. tom has a 104.

Tom...brady..last year...stats...equal...to...stafford...this...year..so..far..stafford..higher comp %, higher yards per attempt! qb rating and qbr is basically dead equal. Look it up. Dipshit. Int % and touchdown % almost equal too. Now I'm not saying stafford is as good as brady...but you just said brady had a great year last year, but stafford sucks this year....and that makes absolutely no sense as you justified it with record.

 

[brewer229]

QBs won't make a bad WR a great WR. Just won't happen. Sure they can make good WRs better and vise versa but the whole idea of QBs "making" WRs is crazy.

Take a look at the better QBs in the league, most if not all have had down years. Coincidentally those years also mark where the team had a poor surrounding cast. Whether it is from lack of talent on roster, suspensions, or injuries it completely voids the whole argument of QBs making bum WRs into pro bowler caliber playmakers. Now, the opposite can be said of bad QBs, they can make their WRs a little worse but they can't make a pro bowl WR into the likes of Jeremy Ross.

Take any QBs top 6-7 playmakers off the team and that QB is gonna struggle. Give that same QB a great defense, offensive line, coaching staff, special teams and running game and watch magic happen.

People are so quick to discard Stafford for any reason that they contradict themselves. Sure, he may not be that good. But, I know one thing we haven't had the chance yet to know. The Lions haven't had the slightest bit of an actual team to help a QB. Sure we have brought in weapons for him, but they are always hurt which means he doesn't have weapons. Offensive line is up and down and only till now has the defense done anything. Sure all teams have injuries but not like the Lions.

For a QB to do well in this league so many things have to go right, it's not just because that QB is so good. It's circumstances. I can't name a season where Stafford has had a mostly healthy offense, a good offensive line, decent running game and a good defense. Shit, I can't think of a season where two of those things happened. However, I can name a shit ton of seasons for the top QBs in the league where at least 3 of those 4 have happened.

Last year the Lions had a Mostly healthy offense (based on NFL's standard of healthy), good/great offensive line, decent running game.

Not sure why we are excusing Stafford this year because he doesn't have CJ, Bush, Bell, Fauria, Pettigrew, Ebron.

He had all of those (except Ebron, who based on discussions here wasn't expected to provide much being a 1st year TE) last year and still struggled. Last year they weren't good enough and he needed more weapons. This year it is once they get back look out.

Not saying you directly stated this, but the general tone of the Stafford is great/elite crowd.

 

[mhughes0021]

Tom...brady..last year...stats...equal...to...stafford...this...year..so..far..stafford..higher comp %, higher yards per attempt! qb rating and qbr is basically dead equal. Look it up. Dipshit. Int % and touchdown % almost equal too. Now I'm not saying stafford is as good as brady...but you just said brady had a great year last year, but stafford sucks this year....and that makes absolutely no sense as you justified it with record.

I thought I already told you brady was a top 10 qbr last year and took his team to the playoffs. If you think thats equal to top 17 and being in first place with 8 games left....then keep slurpin that kool aid is all i can say.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Eeek. That's disturbing.

Quick, one of you spin this so I feel better.

If you reverse 31 you get 13. Feel better..

 

[tonyballs]

I thought Tate wasn't supposed to do anything in this offense. Remember that call? I do...lol.

Combination of both the QB and WR making each other look better. Tate already had great hands and his YAC is one of the best in the leagues. You'd have to be an idiot to think a guy like Tate wouldn't succeed in this offense. Decker too....he's just going to rot in hell playing for the Jets. Poor bastard lol

 

[LKP]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/quarterbackRating/year/2013

Brady's QB rating was 17th. Run game and defense helped the Pats win. And a shitty division

QBR is a made up ESPN stat. Stafford is 11th in PASS EPA by the way this year. Fuck the sack, penalty and run portion of that stat.

 

[tonyballs]

QBR is the dumbest stat going. Needs to be abolished

 

[brewer229]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/quarterbackRating/year/2013

Brady's QB rating was 17th. Run game and defense helped the Pats win. And a shitty division

QBR is a made up ESPN stat. Stafford is 11th in PASS EPA by the way this year. Fuck the sack, penalty and run portion of that stat.

The only made up stats we like are from PFF.

But only the ones that rate passing only, oh and only for 2013.

LKP logic

 

[everyoneneedsasmil]

Is there any statistic that paints Stafford as a top 10 QB? For that, I'm going to have to ignore total yards and question total touchdowns since both of those are volume stats, not necessarily indicative of elite execution.

 

[LKP]

The only made up stats we like are from PFF.

But only the ones that rate passing only, oh and only for 2013.

LKP logic

PFF is based on game tape.

QBR takes into account sacks and runs. Total crap. QB rating is much better.

 

[LKP]

Is there any statistic that paints Stafford as a top 10 QB? For that, I'm going to have to ignore total yards and question total touchdowns since both of those are volume stats, not necessarily indicative of elite execution.

TD drives, FG drives and missed FG drives taking into account how shitty the Lions running game is and the weapons injuries. That makes him top 10.

 

[mhughes0021]

PFF is based on game tape.

QBR takes into account sacks and runs. Total crap. QB rating is much better.

Stafford sucks every year in qb rating too.....so whichever you prefer..

 

[LKP]

Stafford sucks every year in qb rating too.....so whichever you prefer..

Well I take context too. Run game woes, Oline problems and weapon injuries. Big second half for him this season.

 

[mhughes0021]

QBR is the dumbest stat going. Needs to be abolished

looks pretty accurate to me...palmer is the only one out of place and hes played in limited games.

RK PLAYER PASS EPA RUN EPA SACK EPA PEN EPA TOTAL EPA ACT PLAYS QB PAR QB PAA TOTAL QBR
1 Peyton Manning, DEN 53.8 -0.9 -3.6 1.8 51.2 297 71.2 47.5 90.1
2 Philip Rivers, SD 56.1 1.5 -6.6 4.8 55.8 336 70.0 43.2 85.5
3 Aaron Rodgers, GB 47.3 5.7 -12.0 3.8 44.8 322 60.5 34.8 81.6
4 Eli Manning, NYG 35.5 1.1 -7.4 5.6 34.9 278 48.2 26.1 78.4
5 Tony Romo, DAL 46.5 2.0 -12.6 3.1 39.0 302 51.5 27.5 77.8
6 Tom Brady, NE 42.4 -0.5 -6.9 4.7 39.7 347 55.9 28.2 75.4
7 Andrew Luck, IND 41.5 1.0 -5.5 3.5 40.5 427 64.6 30.5 72.8
8 Ben Roethlisberger, PIT 47.7 -1.1 -12.5 3.3 37.4 358 54.0 25.5 72.7
9 Drew Brees, NO 38.0 1.7 -4.1 4.0 39.5 342 50.8 23.5 72.1
10 Carson Palmer, ARI 21.6 0.9 -3.3 3.6 22.8 195 26.4 10.8 68.2
RK PLAYER PASS EPA RUN EPA SACK EPA PEN EPA TOTAL EPA ACT PLAYS QB PAR QB PAA TOTAL QBR
11 Joe Flacco, BAL 30.3 1.4 -8.2 7.5 30.9 329 43.9 17.7 67.7
12 Nick Foles, PHI 28.5 2.1 -4.4 4.7 30.8 352 41.8 13.8 63.1
13 Russell Wilson, SEA 19.5 16.5 -8.8 -1.0 26.3 296 35.0 11.4 63.0
14 Colin Kaepernick, SF 31.2 4.5 -8.9 -0.1 26.7 320 37.7 12.2 62.9
15 Jay Cutler, CHI 34.0 4.4 -10.9 3.6 31.0 373 43.4 13.7 62.4
16 Matthew Stafford, DET 34.8 -0.5 -11.6 5.7 28.3 363 40.2 11.3 60.5
17 Matt Ryan, ATL 35.0 0.8 -11.1 0.5 25.1 365 38.2 9.1 58.5
18 Brian Hoyer, CLE 28.3 -3.3 -6.4 1.1 19.7 264 27.2 6.1 57.9
19 Mike Glennon, TB 19.7 -0.5 -5.7 0.3 13.8 219 22.3 4.8 57.5
20 Andy Dalton, CIN 20.3 -0.3 -3.5 2.1 18.6 275 27.6 5.6 57.0
RK PLAYER PASS EPA RUN EPA SACK EPA PEN EPA TOTAL EPA ACT PLAYS QB PAR QB PAA TOTAL QBR
21 Ryan Tannehill, MIA 24.7 4.5 -9.9 0.9 20.2 319 30.0 4.5 54.9
22 Austin Davis, STL 27.9 -1.5 -11.6 1.1 15.9 280 26.0 3.7 54.6
23 Cam Newton, CAR 27.4 1.6 -9.9 2.4 21.5 327 30.3 4.3 54.5
24 Alex Smith, KC 23.8 3.2 -11.5 2.4 17.8 285 25.1 2.3 52.8
25 Ryan Fitzpatrick, HOU 20.6 2.3 -8.7 0.6 14.8 302 23.1 -1.0 48.9
26 Derek Carr, OAK 18.4 -0.1 -4.8 0.9 14.4 293 22.4 -1.0 48.8
27 Kirk Cousins, WSH 16.2 -0.4 -5.7 1.5 11.6 250 17.6 -2.3 46.8
28 Kyle Orton, BUF 19.8 -0.2 -10.7 -0.6 8.3 177 12.1 -2.0 46.1
29 Teddy Bridgewater, MIN 10.7 3.6 -9.9 0.6 4.9 208 8.4 -8.2 36.7
30 Geno Smith, NYJ 5.5 1.3 -8.5 0.8 -0.9 307 3.0 -21.5 27.6
RK PLAYER PASS EPA RUN EPA SACK EPA PEN EPA TOTAL EPA ACT PLAYS QB PAR QB PAA TOTAL QBR
31 Blake Bortles, JAX 1.3 1.6 -7.6 1.6 -3.1 274 -0.2 -22.0 24.8