North Carolina voter ID laws overturned on appeal

[Spartanmack]

you're not.

maybe you can team up with James O'Kweef to doctor some board posts to prove me wrong though.

Ha - proving you wrong doesn't require anyone's help. My six year old could probably do it in his sleep.

 

[Sbee]

one time in Chicago you played basketball with a bunch of black guys, right?

That's funny shit

 

[Sbee]

LOL, tell us all how non-white, liberal and gay your neighborhood is - Bloomfield Hills, right? Is that diversity where you learned to be so anti-Israel? How about your country club. Did you become a liberal listening to your caddy tell you how hard it is to be black in America? Have you ever lived in a mixed race community? Please, tell us all how your personal experience has shaped your world view - how it's not just from reading the Huffington Post, NY Times, Politico and Vox. And I don't live in a conservative bubble, I have lots of liberal friends and there are way more Clinton signs in my neighbor's lawns than there are Trump signs. And I guarantee you my life experience has been leaps and bounds more diverse than yours.

I'm not just bringing up Bill Clinton - I'm bringing up the role Hillary played in silencing, attacking and villifying his accusers. And what about Hillary's courage and character to end the relationship? No criticism for that? She clearly stayed with him to further her own selfish interests - that's real feminism in action! Anyone who accuses Trump of being sexist and abusive to women in defense of Hillary is a hypocrite. Period.

And again, there is not only not a huge difference, there isn't even a small difference. You people are all hypocrites, you in particular. And please - tell me where I have once defended Trump. See, I make a lot of the same accusations of Trump that you do. Saying Hillary is just as bad or worse isn't remotely the same thing as defending Trump. but of course, you so desperately need to believe that I do, otherwise, this unhinged rant and personal attack is completely and totally baseless. You are one pathetic loser.

I became a liberal because of my experience, I grew up in the armpit of the detroit area, as blue collar as there is, where people work in the service industry or if you're lucky, skilled trades or for one of the big 3 doing some kind of manual labor. I also lived in Chicago for a decade, as diverse of a city as there is, though of course it's very segregated at the same time. I was a big brother in Cabrini green for 6 years and I'm happy to say my little brother is a junior in college now. Of course you see my profile that lists where I live and make assumptions. You're a lot more likely to be liberal if you become wealthy on your own, unlike all of those who wake on on 3rd base and assume they've hit a triple. I couldn't tell you how many conservatives I know who resent all of the "takers" while they're on the parental dole.

You're attempting to draw an equivalence between Trump and Hillary being part of the war on women, which is weak at best. We're talking about a guy who denies making sexual advances on certain women based their attractiveness, not being his first choice, and a women who supposedly wasn't nice to women who her husband cheated on her with. Without knowing for sure I'd say that Hillary stayed with her husband for her own career, not the feminist thing to do, but I never said she wasn't calculating and power hungry (most politicians are though, she's no different). The level of degree in which Hillary was abusive to women vs Trump is so far apart it's amazing that you're arguing this. But to you, Hillary not being nice to women her husband had sex with is on par with Trump's being a walking embodiment of every male sexist stereotype which includes, but is not limited to, calling women pigs and dogs, rating women on a numerical scale, commenting about his Ms Universe winner putting on weight, saying Meghan Kelly was on her period during the debate, bragging about groping women because of his celebrity status, carrying on a very public affair while married to Ivana, confirming that his daughter could be considered a "piece of ass," attacking Ted Cruz's wife's attractiveness, etc. The comparison is not even close.

 

[byco42]

Hillary did much more than "not be nice" to Bill's concubines. Trump is a misogynist's misogynist. But in a country where pornography is an industry in excess of $10,000,000,000 ... we should not be surprised that men and women alike are all numb to the dignity of the person.

 

[Spartanmack]

b

I became a liberal because of my experience, I grew up in the armpit of the detroit area, as blue collar as there is, where people work in the service industry or if you're lucky, skilled trades or for one of the big 3 doing some kind of manual labor. I also lived in Chicago for a decade, as diverse of a city as there is, though of course it's very segregated at the same time. I was a big brother in Cabrini green for 6 years and I'm happy to say my little brother is a junior in college now. Of course you see my profile that lists where I live and make assumptions. You're a lot more likely to be liberal if you become wealthy on your own, unlike all of those who wake on on 3rd base and assume they've hit a triple. I couldn't tell you how many conservatives I know who resent all of the "takers" while they're on the parental dole.

You're attempting to draw an equivalence between Trump and Hillary being part of the war on women, which is weak at best. We're talking about a guy who denies making sexual advances on certain women based their attractiveness, not being his first choice, and a women who supposedly wasn't nice to women who her husband cheated on her with. Without knowing for sure I'd say that Hillary stayed with her husband for her own career, not the feminist thing to do, but I never said she wasn't calculating and power hungry (most politicians are though, she's no different). The level of degree in which Hillary was abusive to women vs Trump is so far apart it's amazing that you're arguing this. But to you, Hillary not being nice to women her husband had sex with is on par with Trump's being a walking embodiment of every male sexist stereotype which includes, but is not limited to, calling women pigs and dogs, rating women on a numerical scale, commenting about his Ms Universe winner putting on weight, saying Meghan Kelly was on her period during the debate, bragging about groping women because of his celebrity status, carrying on a very public affair while married to Ivana, confirming that his daughter could be considered a "piece of ass," attacking Ted Cruz's wife's attractiveness, etc. The comparison is not even close.

So you have such a diverse experience because you lived in a less affluent white suburb (down river?) and then lived in one of the most diverse cities in the country, but in an all white area, with your white college educated roommates (Lakeview or Lincoln Park?), like where you grew up but with more money - that's some real diversity. you were practically born a poor black child - you should change our handle to Navin R Johnson.

you became a liberal because youre an idiot and you have no grasp of the facts or understanding of basic economics, liberty, or morality. self made people aren't more likely to be liberal, that's simply not true. people who who know what it takes to build themselves up through hard work don't go around wishing the government would confiscate more of it to be wasted it on graft and inefficiency. and I didn't read your profile, I got all of that from you bragging about it.

you're attempting to downplay how evil and corrupt Hillary is and it's and your argument isn't even strong enough to be called weak. It's just simply false. Hillary attacked her husband's rape victim and put a 12 year old rape victim through hell to get a reduced sentence for a rapist she knew to be guilty. until someone comes out and says trump raped them, Hillary has got him beat by mile.

Hilary is an evil, despicable human being and she is corrupt to the core. your defense of her is immoral, unjustitiable, even on a relative basis when compared to Trump. oh, and you"re the one with the selfish, immoral position on taxes, not me. If there's a false equivalence here, its' the one you're trying to draw between people suckling at the government teet and people "on the parental dole". Newsflash, the latter are not takers. They're being subsidized on their parents after tax wealth - they may not be contributing as much as others, but they're not a drain on society. And I know a lot more people living on the "parental dole" that vote for your team than people who work hard every day for what they have.

 

[Spartanmack]

That's funny shit

tweedle dumber likes tweedle dum's joke - that's some funny shit, man...

you guys are so cute.

 

[Sbee]

b

So you have such a diverse experience because you lived in a less affluent white suburb (down river?) and then lived in one of the most diverse cities in the country, but in an all white area, with your white college educated roommates (Lakeview or Lincoln Park?), like where you grew up but with more money - that's some real diversity. you were practically born a poor black child - you should change our handle to Main R Johnson.

you became a liberal because youre an idiot and you have no grasp of the facts or understanding of basic economics, liberty, or morality. self made people aren't more likely to be liberal, that's simply not true. people who who know what it takes to build themselves up through hard work don't go around wishing the government would confiscate more of it to be wasted it on graft and inefficiency. and I didn't read your profile, I got all of that from you bragging about it.

you're attempting to downplay how evil and corrupt Hillary is and it's and your argument isn't even strong enough to be called weak. It's just simply false. Hillary attacked her husband's rape victim and put a 12 year old rape victim through hell to get a reduced sentence for a rapist she knew to be guilty. until someone comes out and says trump raped them, Hillary has got him beat by mile.

Hilary is an evil, despicable human being and she is corrupt to the core. your defense of her is immoral, unjustitiable, even on a relative basis when compared to Trump. oh, and you"re the one with the selfish, immoral position on taxes, not me. If there's a false equivalence here, its' the one you're trying to draw between people suckling at the government teet and people "on the parental dole". Newsflash, the latter are not takers. They're being subsidized on their parents after tax wealth - they may not be contributing as much as others, but they're not a drain on society. And I know a lot more people living on the "parental dole" that vote for your team than people who work hard every day for what they have.

The point about the takers is that the people who are so adamantly against handouts are the ones who have had their hands out their whole life, they were just lucky enough to be born to rich parents. Everyone should pull themselves up by their bootstraps, except them (you).

As for hillary, you can keep defending your boy all you want, he's going to lose and Hillary is going to be president. You constantly illustrate your problems with hillary and dismiss those of your candidate. That's fine, I just wish you'd own your support of him.

 

[Spartanmack]

The point about the takers is that the people who are so adamantly against handouts are the ones who have had their hands out their whole life, they were just lucky enough to be born to rich parents. Everyone should pull themselves up by their bootstraps, except them (you).

As for hillary, you can keep defending your boy all you want, he's going to lose and Hillary is going to be president. You constantly illustrate your problems with hillary and dismiss those of your candidate. That's fine, I just wish you'd own your support of him.

Wrong again. I didn't get handouts from my parents. I grew up in an upper middle class suburb, sure but I make no apologies for that - my parents worked very hard to get us there. In my experience, the takers on the parents dole, and I know plenty of them, tend to be more liberal - I know way more liberal silver spooners than I do liberal self made people. So again, your point misses the mark.

hahaha, you keep insisting I'm "defending my boy" - pretty funny considering I've said what an awful person he is and how unfit he is for the presidency. I haven't dismissed problems with Trump, except the ones that aren't real problems and are just part of the manufactured narrative you buy into. You keep saying there are huge differences between what Trump says/does and what Hillary and her surrogates say/do. If there's a big difference here - it's in what you think I say and what I actually say. What I do is simply point out the hypocrisy of people like you who get their knickers in a twist about the latest horrible thing from Trump while saying Hillary's indiscretions and misdeeds are not a big deal, or part of some vast right wing conspiracy. YOU are the one dismissing the transgressions of your candidate. Trump isn't my candidate, no matter how badly you need to believe he is - you can come out to Jersey and ask my neighbor with the Trump sign what I think of Trump that is, if it's not too white and straight for you worldly Bloomfield Hills types. Unless I decide to write someone in, I won't be voting for a candidate for President this year. Whether you believe it or not, and I don't really care if you do, no matter which one wins, I will be extremely dissatisfied with the outcome.

Also, if you didn't grow up in Detroit, you didn't grow up in "the armpit of the Detroit area." And if you didn't grow up in Romulus or Inkster, you didn't grow up on the armpit of the Detroit area that isn't actually in Detroit.

 

[Sbee]

Wrong again. I didn't get handouts from my parents. I grew up in an upper middle class suburb, sure but I make no apologies for that - my parents worked very hard to get us there. In my experience, the takers on the parents dole, and I know plenty of them, tend to be more liberal - I know way more liberal silver spooners than I do liberal self made people. So again, your point misses the mark.

hahaha, you keep insisting I'm "defending my boy" - pretty funny considering I've said what an awful person he is and how unfit he is for the presidency. I haven't dismissed problems with Trump, except the ones that aren't real problems and are just part of the manufactured narrative you buy into. You keep saying there are huge differences between what Trump says/does and what Hillary and her surrogates say/do. If there's a big difference here - it's in what you think I say and what I actually say. What I do is simply point out the hypocrisy of people like you who get their knickers in a twist about the latest horrible thing from Trump while saying Hillary's indiscretions and misdeeds are not a big deal, or part of some vast right wing conspiracy. YOU are the one dismissing the transgressions of your candidate. Trump isn't my candidate, no matter how badly you need to believe he is - you can come out to Jersey and ask my neighbor with the Trump sign what I think of Trump that is, if it's not too white and straight for you worldly Bloomfield Hills types. Unless I decide to write someone in, I won't be voting for a candidate for President this year. Whether you believe it or not, and I don't really care if you do, no matter which one wins, I will be extremely dissatisfied with the outcome.

Also, if you didn't grow up in Detroit, you didn't grow up in "the armpit of the Detroit area." And if you didn't grow up in Romulus or Inkster, you didn't grow up on the armpit of the Detroit area that isn't actually in Detroit.

I wasn't making a big deal over the comments, it's just 1 out of 100 reasons why he shouldn't have been the nominee in the first place.

 

[Spartan23MSU]

Wrong again. I didn't get handouts from my parents. I grew up in an upper middle class suburb, sure but I make no apologies for that - my parents worked very hard to get us there. In my experience, the takers on the parents dole, and I know plenty of them, tend to be more liberal - I know way more liberal silver spooners than I do liberal self made people. So again, your point misses the mark.

hahaha, you keep insisting I'm "defending my boy" - pretty funny considering I've said what an awful person he is and how unfit he is for the presidency. I haven't dismissed problems with Trump, except the ones that aren't real problems and are just part of the manufactured narrative you buy into. You keep saying there are huge differences between what Trump says/does and what Hillary and her surrogates say/do. If there's a big difference here - it's in what you think I say and what I actually say. What I do is simply point out the hypocrisy of people like you who get their knickers in a twist about the latest horrible thing from Trump while saying Hillary's indiscretions and misdeeds are not a big deal, or part of some vast right wing conspiracy. YOU are the one dismissing the transgressions of your candidate. Trump isn't my candidate, no matter how badly you need to believe he is - you can come out to Jersey and ask my neighbor with the Trump sign what I think of Trump that is, if it's not too white and straight for you worldly Bloomfield Hills types. Unless I decide to write someone in, I won't be voting for a candidate for President this year. Whether you believe it or not, and I don't really care if you do, no matter which one wins, I will be extremely dissatisfied with the outcome.

Also, if you didn't grow up in Detroit, you didn't grow up in "the armpit of the Detroit area." And if you didn't grow up in Romulus or Inkster, you didn't grow up on the armpit of the Detroit area that isn't actually in Detroit.

me either, in a perfect world nobody would vote this election.

 

[Sbee]

me either, in a perfect world nobody would vote this election.

But this isn't an online dating site where you keep swiping until you find your perfect match, you have to order off the menu. It's really easy to sit on the sideline and criticize but the patriotic thing to do is participate in our democracy and pick the choice that you think would do the best job of running the country. That's the adult thing to do.

 

[Thumb]

me either, in a perfect world nobody would vote this election.

I honestly believe that if you don't take part in the democratic process, you have no right to bitch about the outcome.

 

[Spartan23MSU]

I honestly believe that if you don't take part in the democratic process, you have no right to bitch about the outcome.

Its impossible to bitch about the outcome if the outcome hasnt happened yet. I can certainly disagree with any outcome, Im not scared of black helicopters coming after me. So, you didnt attend the shareholders meeting for that stock you own, better not bitch about any outcomes then.

 

[Spartan23MSU]

But this isn't an online dating site where you keep swiping until you find your perfect match, you have to order off the menu. It's really easy to sit on the sideline and criticize but the patriotic thing to do is participate in our democracy and pick the choice that you think would do the best job of running the country. That's the adult thing to do.

I refuse to be part of the problem. If I go to a restaurant and sickened by the menu I dont order. I made my choice, not to order. If that makes me a kid, so be it. I see a good number of conservatives that wont vote for Trump but It seems a good number of the left will vote for hillary no matter what (regardless of what a shitbag she is) because they have taken sides pure and simple. That to me seems childish. Anyone that thinks she or Trump are TRULY a good legitimate candidate and assist them in taking office are the problem, not me. I wont satisfice because im "supposed to".

Monty Brewster said it best

"None of the above"

 

[Spartanmack]

I honestly believe that if you don't take part in the democratic process, you have no right to bitch about the outcome.

But this isn't an online dating site where you keep swiping until you find your perfect match, you have to order off the menu. It's really easy to sit on the sideline and criticize but the patriotic thing to do is participate in our democracy and pick the choice that you think would do the best job of running the country. That's the adult thing to do.

Participation doesn't require you to choose between two unacceptable candidates. Conscientious objection is participating in the democratic process. And writing someone in is the same as not voting for all practical purposes, so people who choose not to write-in are also still participating. Plus, there are all the down ticket races people will be voting in. Saying you can't complain about the state of things because you couldn't compromise your integrity to choose a bad candidate is nonsense. If you don't like what's on the menu, you're free to just order a cocktail or go eat at home - if more people do that, maybe they'll change the menu.

I'm sensing a trend here - everyone who disagrees with you, especially after they don't change their mind after you repeat yourself is acting like a child. Sorta makes sense considering you support the party that thinks they know best how to run peoples' lives.

 

[Sbee]

Participation doesn't require you to choose between two unacceptable candidates. Conscientious objection is participating in the democratic process. And writing someone in is the same as not voting for all practical purposes, so people who choose not to write-in are also still participating. Plus, there are all the down ticket races people will be voting in. Saying you can't complain about the state of things because you couldn't compromise your integrity to choose a bad candidate is nonsense. If you don't like what's on the menu, you're free to just order a cocktail or go eat at home - if more people do that, maybe they'll change the menu.

I'm sensing a trend here - everyone who disagrees with you, especially after they don't change their mind after you repeat yourself is acting like a child. Sorta makes sense considering you support the party that thinks they know best how to run peoples' lives.

Abstention is participation? Funny how someone can make an attempt to spin a total cop out as participation. Also, you can write in someone who's not running or even write in a fictional character, you're not really participating. It's easy to cop out and maintain the moral high ground, I just think it's cowardly.

Funny that you mention supporting a party that tries to run peoples lives. The Republican party tries to make plenty of choices for Americans on social issues, pushing their morality on everyone else, where democrats want to leave the choice up to the individual. If anything, the Libertarian party has a leg to stand on in this argument, but the Democrats and Republicans don't.

 

[Thumb]

Participation doesn't require you to choose between two unacceptable candidates. Conscientious objection is participating in the democratic process. And writing someone in is the same as not voting for all practical purposes, so people who choose not to write-in are also still participating. Plus, there are all the down ticket races people will be voting in. Saying you can't complain about the state of things because you couldn't compromise your integrity to choose a bad candidate is nonsense. If you don't like what's on the menu, you're free to just order a cocktail or go eat at home - if more people do that, maybe they'll change the menu.

I'm sensing a trend here - everyone who disagrees with you, especially after they don't change their mind after you repeat yourself is acting like a child. Sorta makes sense considering you support the party that thinks they know best how to run peoples' lives.

You have consistently stated you think Trump is better then Hillary. Now you might not think he's fit to be president, but if you believe he's the better option, and you don't vote to get him in over her, it's pretty moronic to complain about it afterwards when she wins.

Presidential elections are always about the lesser of two evils. (as individuals perceive them) Do you think Bush - Gore was a contest of the two most qualified persons? All we're seeing this time is two far more unappealing candidates. I'm voting for Hillary though I despise her, and even feel she may be totally unfit to be the leader of the free world, simply because I believe (I know you disagree) that she is the best option on the ticket in my state.

Not voting for her, or anyone is not going to change who will eventually get elected, nor will anyone pat you on the back for standing up for your convictions. You'll just be another guy contributing to the whole shitshow simply by not contributing at all.

And to answer your witless parting shot of me supporting the party that thinks it knows how to run peoples lives, lets not forget you support the party that rallied behind a xenophobic, misogynistic, insecure, egomaniacal, bigot, because he threw out some stupid simple statements meant to appeal to the masses of low IQ people that are the base of your antiquated thinking party.

 

[byco42]

A vote for HRC is a vote for death. She is a candidate who champions death. Death in its fundamental state. Death for death's sake. And she will take measures to prevent me from opposing her. The enablers who elect her into office are complicit in advancing death and darkness across the nation. So if you value death as a virtue, HRC is your gal. This is in no way an endorsement of Donald Trump.

 

[Spartanmack]

You have consistently stated you think Trump is better then Hillary. Now you might not think he's fit to be president, but if you believe he's the better option, and you don't vote to get him in over her, it's pretty moronic to complain about it afterwards when she wins.

Presidential elections are always about the lesser of two evils. (as individuals perceive them) Do you think Bush - Gore was a contest of the two most qualified persons? All we're seeing this time is two far more unappealing candidates. I'm voting for Hillary though I despise her, and even feel she may be totally unfit to be the leader of the free world, simply because I believe (I know you disagree) that she is the best option on the ticket in my state.

Not voting for her, or anyone is not going to change who will eventually get elected, nor will anyone pat you on the back for standing up for your convictions. You'll just be another guy contributing to the whole shitshow simply by not contributing at all.

And to answer your witless parting shot of me supporting the party that thinks it knows how to run peoples lives, lets not forget you support the party that rallied behind a xenophobic, misogynistic, insecure, egomaniacal, bigot, because he threw out some stupid simple statements meant to appeal to the masses of low IQ people that are the base of your antiquated thinking party.

I've consistently stated that Hillary is as bad or worse than Trump and that both are unfit to be President, so voting for either violates my conscience.

Sometimes even the lesser of two evils isn't worthy of a vote. I won't compromise for the lesser of two evils, because doing so is an endorsement of one of those evils. I'd rather send a different message and not sell out.

Your last paragraph makes no sense since I'm not voting for Trump - I'm not supporting the party or rallying behind him. Also, that statement was directed at Sbee, which should have been obvious, but if the shoe fits...

 

[Spartanmack]

Abstention is participation? Funny how someone can make an attempt to spin a total cop out as participation. Also, you can write in someone who's not running or even write in a fictional character, you're not really participating. It's easy to cop out and maintain the moral high ground, I just think it's cowardly.

Funny that you mention supporting a party that tries to run peoples lives. The Republican party tries to make plenty of choices for Americans on social issues, pushing their morality on everyone else, where democrats want to leave the choice up to the individual. If anything, the Libertarian party has a leg to stand on in this argument, but the Democrats and Republicans don't.

really? How many times did you vote for Obama because he set a record for voting "present" while he was in the Senate - I suppose that was very brave of him, he's a real trailblazer. Yes, abstaining for conscientious reasons is participating, just like sit ins, and even truly cowardly stuff like sick outs and other forms of passive protest are participating in a process. Calling that a cop out is clear and unsurprising demonstration of your lack of understanding. I'm a conservative, there is no conservative candidate in this election and I won't vote for a blue dog democrat clown just because he's running against a corrupt and evil opponent.

What's really funny is someone who has empathy for BLM supporters rioting and looting also has such harsh criticism of conscientious objectors protesting two unacceptable choices.

Defending the most innocent and defenseless among us isn't running people's lives - it's defending life.