AP HS Football poll 10/21/14

[biggunsbob]

Division 1
School (First-place votes) (Record) Total Points
1. Clarkston (5) (8-0) 50
2. Detroit Cass Tech (8-0) 45
3. Dearborn Fordson (8-0) 39
4. Lapeer (8-0) 36
5. West Bloomfield (7-1) 28
6. East Kentwood (7-1) 27
T-7. Macomb Dakota (6-2) 11
T-7. Saline (7-1) 11
T-7. Sterling Heights Stevenson (6-2) 11
T-10. Oxford (6-2) 4
T-10. Rockford (6-2) 4
T-10. Livonia Stevenson (6-2) 4
Others receiving votes: 13, Walled Lake Central (6-2) 2. 14, Canton (6-2) 1. 14, Plymouth (6-2) 1. 14, Hartland (6-2) 1.

Division 2
School (First-place votes) (Record) Total Points
1. Bloomfield Hills Brother Rice (5) (8-0) 50
2. Muskegon (8-0) 45
3. Detroit Martin Luther King (8-0) 38
4. Midland Dow (8-0) 28
5. Muskegon Mona Shores (7-1) 27
T-6. Lowell (7-1) 20
T-6. Caledonia (6-2) 20
8. Walled Lake Western (7-1) 16
9. Woodhaven (8-0) 11
10. Fenton (8-0) 5
Others receiving votes: 11, Southfield (6-2) 4. 12, Oak Park (6-2) 3. 12, Farmington Hills Harrison (7-1) 3. 14, Battle Creek Lakeview (6-1) 1. 14, Traverse City Central (6-2) 1.

Division 3
School (First-place votes) (Record) Total Points
1. Zeeland West (5) (8-0) 50
2. DeWitt (8-0) 45
3. Orchard Lake St. Mary's (7-1) 40
4. St. Johns (7-1) 35
5. Grand Rapids Forest Hills Northern (6-2) 24
6. Allen Park (7-1) 21
7. East Grand Rapids (5-3) 20
8. Cedar Springs (7-1) 10
9. Edwardsburg (7-1) 9
10. Grand Rapids Christian (5-3) 8
Others receiving votes: 11, Byron Center (6-2) 5. 11, Stevensville Lakeshore (6-2) 5. 13, Plainwell (7-1) 3.

Division 4
School (First-place votes) (Record) Total Points
1. Saginaw Swan Valley (4) (8-0) 49
2. Lansing Sexton (1) (8-0) 46
3. Cadillac (8-0) 40
4. Grand Rapids South Christian (6-2) 35
5. Richmond (7-1) 28
6. Goodrich (7-1) 25
T-7. Dearborn Heights Robichaud (7-1) 16
T-7. Yale (6-2) 16
9. Vicksburg (6-2) 9
T-10. Grosse Ile (6-2) 3
T-10. Paw Paw (5-3) 3
Others receiving votes: 12, Kalamazoo Hackett Catholic Central (5-3) 2. 12, Williamston (6-2) 2. 14, Three Rivers (5-3) 1.

Division 5
School (First-place votes) (Record) Total Points
1. Grand Rapids West Catholic (5) (8-0) 50
2. Marine City (8-0) 45
3. Menominee (8-0) 39
4. Lansing Catholic (8-0) 36
5. Almont (8-0) 28
6. Freeland (7-1) 25
7. Muskegon Oakridge (8-0) 18
8. Frankenmuth (7-1) 16
9. Birch Run (7-1) 9
10. Flint Powers Catholic (6-2) 8
Others receiving votes: 11, Reed City (7-1) 1.

Division 6
School (First-place votes) (Record) Total Points
1. Ithaca (5) (8-0) 50
2. Jackson Lumen Christi (8-0) 43
3. Monroe St. Mary Catholic Central (8-0) 41
4. Clinton (8-0) 34
5. Flint Beecher (8-0) 31
6. Boyne City (8-0) 26
7. Madison Heights Madison (7-1) 17
8. Constantine (7-1) 14
9. Millington (7-1) 13
10. Manchester (7-1) 3
Others receiving votes: 11, Ravenna (7-1) 2. 12, Montrose (6-2) 1.

Division 7
School (First-place votes) (Record) Total Points
1. Ishpeming (5) (7-0) 50
2. Detroit Loyola (8-0) 45
3. New Lothrop (8-0) 40
4. Iron River West Iron County (8-0) 34
5. Elkton-Pigeon Bay Port Laker (8-0) 26
T-6. Union City (8-0) 22
T-6. Whittemore-Prescott (8-0) 22
8. Decatur (7-1) 15
9. Traverse City St. Francis (6-2) 12
10. Hudson (7-1) 4
Others receiving votes: 11, Gobles (6-2) 3. 12, Homer (6-2) 2.

Division 8
School (First-place votes) (Record) Total Points
1. Muskegon Catholic Central (4) (8-0) 49
2. Harbor Beach (1) (8-0) 44
3. Beal City (7-1) 40
4. Crystal Falls Forest Park (7-1) 30
5. St. Ignace (8-0) 28
6. Fowler (8-0) 22
7. Mendon (7-1) 21
8. Saginaw Michigan Lutheran Seminary (7-1) 13
9. Munising (7-1) 10
10. Climax-Scotts (7-1) 9
Others receiving votes: 11, Lake Linden-Hubbell (7-1) 7. 12, Johannesburg-Lewiston (7-1) 2.

Division 8 Player
School (First-place votes) (Record) Total Points
1. Peck (6) (8-0) 78
2. Lawrence (2) (8-0) 71
3. Rapid River (8-0) 64
4. Battle Creek St. Philip (8-0) 47
5. Cedarville (7-1) 45
Others receiving votes: 11, Portland St Patrick (7-1) 8. 12, Bellaire (7-1) 7.

 

[biggunsbob]

East Kentwood moves up past Rockford.. Lowell drops a bit after losing to Caledonia who moves in all the way up to a tie with Lowell in 6th.. In D3 both Byron Center and Stevensville Lakeshore move out... The rest of the divisions have movement at the bottom but not any in the top 5..

 

[Michchamp]

how come you never mention anything about how great Rice is, and how excited you are they have produced our next great QB, Alex Malzone?

 

[biggunsbob]

Here is a guy that has done playoff projections ever since I have bee going to mlive.. He starts it in about week 5 and does it for the rest of the season.. I am getting a little worried as he still has Lowell and Muskegon falling into division 3 because of so many bigger school's above them winning making the playoffs. I like the fact he moves Byron Center south again but holy crap look at the on district 1 region 2...Muskegon verses Gand Rapids Christian and Zeeland West verses EGR.... and freaking Lowell gets a gift and moves north :/


Brother Rice will get a gift if Lowell and Muskegon move down to D3.
Although if I had to bet I still feel they both end up in D2

http://michigan-football.com/f/birbrice.htm

 

[biggunsbob]

how come you never mention anything about how great Rice is, and how excited you are they have produced our next great QB, Alex Malzone?

Sorry...lol....

I think I mentioned early in the season what a machine they are...Not much moment as they always keep rolling... Plus I live in west Michigan and never see or read much about those school's.. Plus I have always felt weather right or wrong that private school's have an un-fair advantage over public school's so I really don't care much for them..

420-129-4 all-time since 1950..
And a impressive 9-4 in title games including two in a row..
I guess when you can get players from anywhere you can be great

 

[biggunsbob]

Here is another guys work with enrollment so you can see the school's and their numbers size was.. As you can see Muskegon and Lowell or right on the line between d2 and d3.

https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx...=file,xlsx&app=Excel&authkey=!AEIHkz8tc_aUNJI

 

[biggunsbob]

Zeeland west on the line between D3 and D4...LOL

 

[Michchamp]

Here is another guys work with enrollment so you can see the school's and their numbers size was.. As you can see Muskegon and Lowell or right on the line between d2 and d3.

https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?resid=EE25115295471A88!19982&ithint=file%2cxlsx&app=Excel&authkey=!AEIHkz8tc_aUNJI

you make a good point about the student body not being limited by geography for private schools as it is for publics; still I think it balances out somewhat because there are some good athletes that will otherwise not go to a private school because their parents can't afford tuition or they just don't want to put up with the private school mentality (not coed, uniforms/dress codes/stricter discipline).

is enrollment "boys only?" I assume so, otherwise the comparison makes no sense.

Rice looks to be a few hundred students larger than it was in my day, 20 years ago.

edit: according to the handbook, it's not, avgs. about 650 boys. looks like your guy just doubles the enrollment of boys schools to match what the enrollment would be if they were coed.

also crazy that tuition has more than doubled since I attended. sheez

 

[biggunsbob]

For me it just perpetuates the class system.. The private school's are for the rich people and the public school's are for the rest of the masses.. It is just an opinion.. Then the school's give out scholarships for really good athletes or just figure a way to get them on campus...
(I also do think some public school's skirt around boundary rules and find ways to get athletes into their program)

Instead of us all banding together to make Public school's the best they can possible be we get stuck with different systems for different people.. Public, Private,charter, ect ect.. Education should be the best for everyone if that is even possible... I know MC pretty sappy thoughts......

 

[Michchamp]

Bob, you're preaching to the choir.

 

[Michchamp]

But I still cheer for Rice (over the internet).

 

[gotime909]

Mona Shores just went to Muskegon and beat them pretty easily tonight.

 

[biggunsbob]

It was tied at halftime... Mona shores must have had a great second half...They also beat Caledonia in week four 40-7 albeit Caledonia was missing a bunch of starters including their stud running back... But still Mona shores may be the best team in west Michigan no one talks about. First win over the Big Reds since 1982 is what I think I heard on tv...

 

[biggunsbob]

d2 and d3 is loaded this year...I hope Muskegon and Lowell don't get bumped down to d3..