Chris Houston quietly having a Pro Bowl season

[mhughes0021]

People wont vote for houston. Good first half but most of his pics were gifts more than they were great defensive plays imo. Hes still a solid 2 if you ask me benefitting from alot of dline pressure. If we let avril sign his ray edwards contract elsewhere and rolled with young and lojack next year I wouldnt blame them. All depends on cliff and how much money he wants compared to how much he wants to stay here.

 

[beez]

People wont vote for houston. Good first half but most of his pics were gifts more than they were great defensive plays imo. Hes still a solid 2 if you ask me benefitting from alot of dline pressure. If we let avril sign his ray edwards contract elsewhere and rolled with young and lojack next year I wouldnt blame them. All depends on cliff and how much money he wants compared to how much he wants to stay here.

People vote on numbers..not everyone across the nation watches the Lions play. They don't know about Houstons play as much as you don't know about how Patrick Peterson is playing. In the end, you'll look at the numbers and if they're there you might vote for him. Gotta remember the pro bowl is a popularity contest in some votes as well.

 

[Mitchrapp]

The NFL probowl has 3 sets of votes. Fans, Coaches and Players. They get the vote right much better than MLB does. And as Beez said, most will go on stats. And it won't be on just easy interceptions. Slick post Revis stat of QB rating on tnrows his way. Curious what Houston's is.

 

[lions2011]

Mitch[/color]]The NFL probowl has 3 sets of votes. Fans, Coaches and Players. They get the vote right much better than MLB does. And as Beez said, most will go on stats. And it won't be on just easy interceptions. Slick post Revis stat of QB rating on tnrows his way. Curious what Houston's is.

closest to Revis in the NFL is Chris Gamble from Carolina with a 39.4 QB rating against.

only 2 other CBs in the league are under 50....Woodson and Ike Taylor.

 

[batcave76]

Mitch[/color]]The NFL probowl has 3 sets of votes. Fans, Coaches and Players. They get the vote right much better than MLB does. And as Beez said, most will go on stats. And it won't be on just easy interceptions. Slick post Revis stat of QB rating on tnrows his way. Curious what Houston's is.

MLB voting might as well be American Idol. Or Detroit politics. If you've heard of the name, you vote for em.

 

[detroit1811]

I never understood the dislike for Avril here. He doesn''t deserve elite DE money like what Charles Johnson got, but if hes reasonable and is looking for around Ray Edwards money then you re-sign him. Seriously do you not remember what it was like to not have a pass rush? Very good pass rushing DE's don't grow on trees on thats what Avril is. Add in to that that KVB isn't exactly young anymore and he is a key piece to our future.

He is easily

 

[wheels002]

I never understood the dislike for Avril here. He doesn''t deserve elite DE money like what Charles Johnson got, but if hes reasonable and is looking for around Ray Edwards money then you re-sign him. Seriously do you not remember what it was like to not have a pass rush? Very good pass rushing DE's don't grow on trees on thats what Avril is. Add in to that that KVB isn't exactly young anymore and he is a key piece to our future.

He is easily

I dont dislike Cliff I just think he will price himself out of town is all. I am realistic. We can not pay everyone and we have to keep CJ, Suh and Staff. Cliff is great at rushing the passer but he is aided by Suh and if he wants to much you let him walk knowing that Young and LoJack and maybe a draft pick can step up.

 

[tbone413]

avril got tendered and him and tully both need deals

fuck avril...if he wants to break the bank, let him do it elsewhere. willie young looks like the same player and should come a hell of a lot cheaper. i'd like to see tulloch get himself a long term deal, but he has rosenhaus who will fuck it all up for him again and have him try to play the market, which he tried last year and lost.

I think it would be a mistake to not sign Avril...he is having a very nice year and has been improving every year since being drafted. Last year his sack numbers were a bit inflated due to him being at the right place at the right time..but this year he is beasting and has deserved all of his sacks. Not to mention he is one of the best DE's at causing a stip-sack in the league.

 

[fedexgooch78]

fuck avril...if he wants to break the bank, let him do it elsewhere. willie young looks like the same player and should come a hell of a lot cheaper. i'd like to see tulloch get himself a long term deal, but he has rosenhaus who will fuck it all up for him again and have him try to play the market, which he tried last year and lost.

and they still run right over him for all the yards they want. a pass rush is great, don't get me wrong...but he is far from a complete player for the amount of money he is going to command. i'm not mad that he's on the team, but he has NEVER played the run worth a damn. At some point you need to pay the guys who are also going to command big pay days. do you go ahead and give cliff his 5 yrs and 60mil or so....so that when guys like delmas, cj, suh come due you get stuck in having to pay them bank...and a guy like slh, or lojack have to go because of salary cap implications. he is a good passrusher. he isn't one of the greats. he is horrible against the run. long term, he isn't good for the salary structure of the team at some high value.

I think it would be a mistake to not sign Avril...he is having a very nice year and has been improving every year since being drafted. Last year his sack numbers were a bit inflated due to him being at the right place at the right time..but this year he is beasting and has deserved all of his sacks. Not to mention he is one of the best DE's at causing a stip-sack in the league.

 

[Mitchrapp]

You'll be surprised of the good DE's that can't stop the run.

 

[lions2011]

Mitch[/color]]You'll be surprised of the good DE's that can't stop the run.

you'd be surprised at the number of DEs that can contain an edge and turn a run back to the middle of the field where the LBs can clean up.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Mitch[/color]]You'll be surprised of the good DE's that can't stop the run.

you'd be surprised at the number of DEs that can contain an edge and turn a run back to the middle of the field where the LBs can clean up.

Not happy with his run D either just saying that not all DE do it effectively. Don't phase me bro, lol.

 

[lp4ever41]

I never understood the dislike for Avril here. He doesn''t deserve elite DE money like what Charles Johnson got, but if hes reasonable and is looking for around Ray Edwards money then you re-sign him. Seriously do you not remember what it was like to not have a pass rush? Very good pass rushing DE's don't grow on trees on thats what Avril is. Add in to that that KVB isn't exactly young anymore and he is a key piece to our future.

He is easily

I dont dislike Cliff I just think he will price himself out of town is all. I am realistic. We can not pay everyone and we have to keep CJ, Suh and Staff. Cliff is great at rushing the passer but he is aided by Suh and if he wants to much you let him walk knowing that Young and LoJack and maybe a draft pick can step up.

Ray Edwards money is 5 year-$25 mil or $5 mil per year....thats totally reasonable. The problem is, I've read Avril wants Tamba Hali money, which is basically double. He's not getting that. If he wanted Edwards money, I'm sure he'd have been re-signed by now.

 

[mhughes0021]

fuck avril...if he wants to break the bank, let him do it elsewhere. willie young looks like the same player and should come a hell of a lot cheaper. i'd like to see tulloch get himself a long term deal, but he has rosenhaus who will fuck it all up for him again and have him try to play the market, which he tried last year and lost.

I think it would be a mistake to not sign Avril...he is having a very nice year and has been improving every year since being drafted. Last year his sack numbers were a bit inflated due to him being at the right place at the right time..but this year he is beasting and has deserved all of his sacks. Not to mention he is one of the best DE's at causing a stip-sack in the league.

Hes made some nice plays. Hes still a one trick pony. If you call 5 sacks "beasting" then i dont know what you call the guys that have more sacks than Avril, LoJack and Young combined. Them 3 combined have 10.5 sacks. Ware has 12. Allen 12.5. Our ends have played the pass fine...but lets not make them out to be all world. When 3 of your high playtime DEs dont even match one guys numbers on another team....thats not all world. Throw in the fact he gets run over or runs himself out of plays on a constant basis and the market for him gets smaller and smaller. Like i said...he'll either want to stay in detroit and give a hometown discount or he'll go somewhere else and follow the money. I dont see MM handing him a huge charles johnson type deal.

 

[themadbomber]

I think a big part of our lower sack numbers is that teams game plan to beat us with quick throws and screens - and running the ball since we've been bad at stopping the run.

People are right on with Avril though, he's been a target in the running game pretty consistently and the times where he sets the edge and either makes the play, or forces the cutback are few and far between.

I almost wish we'd play more press coverage on the receivers and take away the quick stuff, but that obviously opens you up to big plays.

I dunno.

Houston and Wright are steady, but despite the INT's and the long TD return he had the other day, I'm not sure I'd call either of them Pro Bowlers. Houston might get in, but he's a pretty middle of the pack guy imo...

 

[Mitchrapp]

Middle of the pack is fine by me. Too many years are crap of the pack with the dud CB we've had.

 

[everyoneneedsasmil]

Chris Houston has been solid this year. He's not a shutdown corner, but not a sieve either. He puts himself in good position 9 times out of 10, and can make the play when it is available. He can't create a play the way top CBs do. His tackling is good enough, but not great. He'll stop a ballcarrier from taking it to the house, but is probably going to give up a couple yards from the initial contact.

The reason we give up so many big runs is because our secondary is filled with poor tacklers in general. 10 yard runs become 35 yard runs once the runner gets passed the LBs.