Coke

[spockmaster]

He has not been a good hitter PERIOD since July 1st: .239/.265/.331/.596. That would be awful for a backup catcher in AAA, let alone a big-league starter. No amount of defense makes up for that for ANYONE, especially a regular that our brain-dead manager insists on hitting leadoff.

 

[Thumb]

Yet, all I am saying with Coke, is he hasn't been the issue. He has been good, not great since the AS break. It is harder to pitch when you constantly enter the game with runners on base. Give him some fucking slack for a change and harp on who really is the issue.

Nobody said Coke was the biggest issue. But the thread was specifically about him, so that's why people are weighing in on it. Are there people worse than him? No question, especially even in the bullpen.

Now as far as cutting him slack, no, I don't think I will. The fact that he's not the worst does not save him from criticism. Does he get set up to fail by coming in with runners on? Maybe, but he still has the job to do anyways. And bottom line is he just plain allows too many baserunners vs. innings pitched.

But none of this is assuming he is our biggest problem at all, just one of many.

 

[stonecold2136]

After the AS Break (38 OPP PA Min)


Hardy .347 OBP .279 SLG .626 OPS

Scherzer .292 OBP .340 SLG .632 OPS

Sanchez .305 OBP .328 SLG .633 OPS

Price .279 OBP .379 SLG .658 OPS

Albuquerque .316 OBP .343 SLG .660 OPS

Lobstein .298 OBP .363 SLG .661 OPS

J. Johnson .367 OBP .297 SLG .665 OPS

Coke .323 OBP .349 SLG .672 OPS

Porcello .296 OBP .382 SLG .678 OPS

Nathan .376 OBP .329 SLG .705 OPS


Verlander .328 OBP .453 SLG .781 OPS

Chamberlain .378 OBP .410 SLG .788 OPS


McCoy .481 OBP .476 SLG .957 OPS

R. Ray .410 OBP .661 SLG 1.071 OPS

Farmer .405 OBP .676 SLG 1.081 OPS

Soria .421 OBP .676 SLG 1.097 OPS


I believe everything is relative, but AA and Coke are the only two relievers with an OPP OBP under .330. All the regular starters and Lobstein also meet that.

Yes, Coke has been good, not great since the AS break.


Since AS Break

Reed 5 IR 0 IS 0.0% (15 IR 2 IS 13.3% season)

J. Johnson 6 IR 1 IS 16.7%

Albuquerque 23 IR 4 IS 17.4%

Coke 22 IR 6 IS 27.3%

Hardy 19 IR 6 IS 31.6%


Soria 5 IR 2 IS 40.0%

Lobstein 2 IR 1 IS 50.0%

Chamberlain 7 IR 4 IS 57.1%

Krol 10 IR 6 IS 60.0%

McCoy 2 IR 2 IS 100.0%

Nathan 0 IR 0 IS ---


These numbers can be misleading. Twice J. Johnson didn't have an Inherited Runner score, but was credited with a run allowed. Why? Because of events like caught stealing and fielder's choice. Conversely, coming in with the bases loaded and giving up a grand slam is hard to change your numbers back within reason. But it certainly gives you an idea on usage. Hardy, AA and Coke by far come in more with men on base. It is harder for a pitcher when they do that.

Good post Rebbiv that took some time to research. Everyone here is lucky to see the good stuff you find.

 

[xer0]

Kinsler is having a fluke 2nd half, and at LEAST he brings his glove every night, unlike Fatboy Fielder who has negative impact in EVERY facet of the game if he's not producing on offense.

 

[sggatecl]

Kinsler is having a fluke 2nd half, and at LEAST he brings his glove every night, unlike Fatboy Fielder who has negative impact in EVERY facet of the game if he's not producing on offense.

I'm no Rebbiv when it comes to looking things up but isn't Kinsler notorious for having a hot start and then a slow second half? I could be wrong by I think history has proven that it's no fluke.

 

[xer0]

I'm no Rebbiv when it comes to looking things up but isn't Kinsler notorious for having a hot start and then a slow second half? I could be wrong by I think history has proven that it's no fluke.

There is a dip in the numbers from 1st half to 2nd but this year is alot different.

he has a career .741 OPS in the 2nd half.

2014 - .587

he has been remarkably consistent in the 2nd half every year of his career, his OPS has not once dipped below .700, except this one.

 

[firehim]

I'm no Rebbiv when it comes to looking things up but isn't Kinsler notorious for having a hot start and then a slow second half? I could be wrong by I think history has proven that it's no fluke.

He is following that same pattern. I was hoping that the Texas heat was the reason.

 

[hellifino]

Choke again

 

[lonesometiger]

Coke with this team next season. I'm not sure they finish the season in any place!

 

[xer0]

He is following that same pattern. I was hoping that the Texas heat was the reason.

Did you read my post or just ignore it? Kinsler's post all star break numbers this year aren't anything close to ANY season in his career.

Anyway, I thought this thread was about Coke?

 

[Rebbiv]

Since the end of 2011

Kinsler 1st half = .289 BAVG .344 OBP .450 SLG .794 OPS

Kinsler 2nd half = .245 BAVG .301 OBP .378 SLG .679 OPS


Year by Year

2006 = .932 vs .728 (-204 points)

2007 = .787 vs .807 (+20 points)

2008 = .945 vs .717 (-228 points)

2009 = .816 vs .811 (+5 points)

2010 = .881 vs .710 (-171 points)

2011 = .815 vs .852 (+37 points)

2012 = .783 vs .707 (-76 points)

2013 = .793 vs .721 (-72 points)

2014 = .807 vs .604 (-203 points)


Never had a 1st half under .783 OPS

3 of 9 2nd halves better than .730 OPS

 

[hellifino]

another great outing by Choke.at least it was mop up time!

 

[sggatecl]

Since the end of 2011

Kinsler 1st half = .289 BAVG .344 OBP .450 SLG .794 OPS

Kinsler 2nd half = .245 BAVG .301 OBP .378 SLG .679 OPS


Year by Year

2006 = .932 vs .728 (-204 points)

2007 = .787 vs .807 (+20 points)

2008 = .945 vs .717 (-228 points)

2009 = .816 vs .811 (+5 points)

2010 = .881 vs .710 (-171 points)

2011 = .815 vs .852 (+37 points)

2012 = .783 vs .707 (-76 points)

2013 = .793 vs .721 (-72 points)

2014 = .807 vs .604 (-203 points)


Never had a 1st half under .783 OPS

3 of 9 2nd halves better than .730 OPS

I had a feeling I was right about that, had brought it up when people were praising his hot start at the start of the season as to why I wasn't jumping on board.

Thanks Rebbiv, you da best.

 

[xer0]

I had a feeling I was right about that, had brought it up when people were praising his hot start at the start of the season as to why I wasn't jumping on board.

Thanks Rebbiv, you da best.

You were right in the sense that he plays better before the AS break as opposed to after the break, but wrong about the MAJOR production dropoff/dip on this years post all star break stats since it had NEVER happened in an 8 year career prior to this year. Like I said, he had never had an OPS below .700 after the break until this year which he was under .600, that low of production is an aberration for Ian Kinsler.

Even after all that, he's still a much better player than Infante and having a way better season, some people thought they were equals and it's not really even close.

 

[xer0]

Also it's pretty funny how this turned into a Kinsler thread because Coke is so fucking terrible nobody wants to talk about him.

 

[tomdalton22]

You were right in the sense that he plays better before the AS break as opposed to after the break, but wrong about the MAJOR production dropoff/dip on this years post all star break stats since it had NEVER happened in an 8 year career prior to this year. Like I said, he had never had an OPS below .700 after the break until this year which he was under .600, that low of production is an aberration for Ian Kinsler.

Even after all that, he's still a much better player than Infante and having a way better season, some people thought they were equals and it's not really even close.

It's not close! He is having a much better season than Prince too!!!

 

[Rebbiv]

You were right in the sense that he plays better before the AS break as opposed to after the break, but wrong about the MAJOR production dropoff/dip on this years post all star break stats since it had NEVER happened in an 8 year career prior to this year. Like I said, he had never had an OPS below .700 after the break until this year which he was under .600, that low of production is an aberration for Ian Kinsler.

Even after all that, he's still a much better player than Infante and having a way better season, some people thought they were equals and it's not really even close.

2011-2013 Away

Infante .293 BAVG .319 OBP .413 SLG .732 OPS

Kinsler .231 BAVG .303 OBP .387 SLG .690 OPS

2011-2013 UZR/150

Infante 6.1

Kinsler 5.5

2013 Salary

Kinsler $13.0 Mil

Infante $4.0 Mil

 

[hellifino]

Coke looked sharp last night,not one extra base hit.

 

[xer0]

2011-2013 Away

Infante .293 BAVG .319 OBP .413 SLG .732 OPS

Kinsler .231 BAVG .303 OBP .387 SLG .690 OPS

2011-2013 UZR/150

Infante 6.1

Kinsler 5.5

2013 Salary

Kinsler $13.0 Mil

Infante $4.0 Mil

It's a good thing the entirety of the statistics are what really matters and not just the ones you decide to cherry pick. also, wtf does salary have to do with performance? nothing.

Kinsler is a way better baseball player than Infante and only a buffoon (you) would argue otherwise. Even with Kinsler having the worst 2nd half of his career he still holds a 90 point OPS advantage over Infante.

also pretty funny how you turned this into a Kinsler thread, your boy Coke is straight up dogshit.

let's hear some more posts about how Coke isn't a problem on this team, and how Avila is a top 5 offensive C (ROFL).