Debates are still pointless

[mhughes0021]

I did too - wouldn't have missed it for the world. Go Tigers.

But guess what, I watched the debate too. The people that don't watch, and then don't vote on top of it, have no room to complain, or if you prefer the politically correct version - while they have the right to complain, they get no sympathy from me for the leaders they end up with.

The only real part of the debate i liked is when obama stated we need to be tougher on companies that pocket their money from tax breaks, dont create any new jobs, go overseas to manufacture and then try to bring the product back here. I agree 100% and think those companies should be penalized huge. Glad someone finally took a stance on that and actually spoke on the real american problem...we dont manufacture anything anymore. And thats due to decisions major "job creators" have made....not the president.

The rest of the debate was just meh....mainly cause i thought the questions sucked. Romney didnt really make an impression on any one subject. He was just doing his best to put down the black guy but not really supporting any of his ideals. His stance on immigration wont be popular. Its very obvious he sucks at foreign policy. The only thing he has going for him is he is a "business man".....for whatever thats worth.

Barrack didnt show a ton either but it was refreshing that he atleast sounds human and not from another planet.

 

[KAWDUP]

The only real part of the debate i liked is when obama stated we need to be tougher on companies that pocket their money from tax breaks, dont create any new jobs, go overseas to manufacture and then try to bring the product back here. I agree 100% and think those companies should be penalized huge. Glad someone finally took a stance on that and actually spoke on the real american problem...we dont manufacture anything anymore. And thats due to decisions major "job creators" have made....not the president.

The rest of the debate was just meh....mainly cause i thought the questions sucked. Romney didnt really make an impression on any one subject. He was just doing his best to put down the black guy but not really supporting any of his ideals. His stance on immigration wont be popular. Its very obvious he sucks at foreign policy. The only thing he has going for him is he is a "business man".....for whatever thats worth.

Barrack didnt show a ton either but it was refreshing that he atleast sounds human and not from another planet.

Reasonable analysis, but I would also suggest it isn't all "job creators" that did those things. We actually manufacture more than you think. It most certainly has declined quite a bit since its heyday, but several sectors are still pretty much dominated by American companies.

. . . getting tougher on companies stashing money overseas would probably be the best way to add additional money back into the economy. Is there really any chance for full blown tax reform, no matter who wins? Be honest.

Also, I would disagree about "the only thing Romney has going for him" but then I wouldn't expect you to think otherwise and don't fault you for thinking it.

On thing is for sure, letting a first-timer like Crowley moderate the debate left a little to be desired - she didn't do either candidate any favors.

 

[redandguilty]

Hey quit correcting my spelling you snob. Mine was the Latin version. :*)

Actually, I don't sneer at the process, because it is what we have, and sheeple or no, it goes a reasonable amount of the way toward determining who the next president will be.

If I'm a spelling snob, I'm a fake spelling snob. I've never been good at it. I just right click the red squiggly lines.

 

[mhughes0021]

On thing is for sure, letting a first-timer like Crowley moderate the debate left a little to be desired - she didn't do either candidate any favors.

agreed....the seond i thought there would actually be a debate on a topic she would interject and say..."sorry time to move on". The entire thing consisted of basically both sides bashing each other and right when they were about to recant, disprove or justify what was said about their stance she would end it and move on. Thats not really a debate....i can get the same thing by watching the commercials the candidates run.

 

[Thumb]

I did too - wouldn't have missed it for the world. Go Tigers.

But guess what, I watched the debate too. The people that don't watch, and then don't vote on top of it, have no room to complain, or if you prefer the politically correct version - while they have the right to complain, they get no sympathy from me for the leaders they end up with.

The only thing I disagree with here is I don't think anyone has to watch the debates to know which candidate to vote for. Most policy is set long before any debates, and it just turns into a battle of one liners and witty comebacks.

Romney and Obama, and Paul and Biden are the same people after the debates as they were before, I actually pity people who vote based how a candidate did in a debate.

 

[Michchamp]

The only real part of the debate i liked is when obama stated we need to be tougher on companies that pocket their money from tax breaks, dont create any new jobs, go overseas to manufacture and then try to bring the product back here. I agree 100% and think those companies should be penalized huge. Glad someone finally took a stance on that and actually spoke on the real american problem...we dont manufacture anything anymore. And thats due to decisions major "job creators" have made....not the president.

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I had a tax professor in law school that discussed a number of studies that had been done that found that when large corporations received tax breaks, that money was almost exclusively used to buy out workers' contracts, or buy competitors and lay workers off... i.e. tax breaks on the Fortune 500 leads to LESS employment, not MORE.

same thing goes for added regulations. If the government adds some compliance requirements for making cars, a company the size of GM isn't going to just shut its doors... it's going to go hire someone to manage it. it's going to create employment.

confusing this issue - which would seem counter-intuitive to most voters since they aren't economists - has lead to some of the mess we're in. it's this idea that all companies are subject to the same market pressures, regardless of size that is simply bad economics and completely unrealistic.

the persistently high unemployment we're seeing could probably be reduced by putting some of the common sense regulations that have been gutted by pro-business lobbying back in place, and raising some of the marginal tax rates on corporations over a certain size. they'd have less incentive to hoard cash, and more incentive to pay worker salaries.

that last part is another HUGE issue that the media consistently ignores (since the media is owned by GE, Viacom, etc.): despite layoffs, most of the Fortune 500 has record amounts of cash on hand. you can just google this.

 

[KAWDUP]

If I'm a spelling snob, I'm a fake spelling snob. I've never been good at it. I just right click the red squiggly lines.

Is that what those red squiggly lines are for? :tup:

 

[KAWDUP]

The only thing I disagree with here is I don't think anyone has to watch the debates to know which candidate to vote for. Most policy is set long before any debates, and it just turns into a battle of one liners and witty comebacks.

Romney and Obama, and Paul and Biden are the same people after the debates as they were before, I actually pity people who vote based how a candidate did in a debate.

I do too. I guess I wasn't saying that I do that, just that I want to stay informed with what is being said, because enough undecided people do actually base their vote on what is heard and do possibly affect who wins.

I have actually been spurred to do more research on the actual position of candidates because of what was said at a debate. The trouble is finding actual facts as so many news sources are just spinning to spin around this time in an election year.

You are right, though, policies and platforms already exist. In some cases actually proposed legislation already exists in draft form, but doesn't mean you personally can't learn anything from what is said.

 

[@Stakesarehigh]

There is just very little said in these debates that I'm not already read up on...The discussion regarding taxes is useless. I already know where they stand and how full of shit they both are in regards to taxes.

Bottom line is taxes are going to have to go up to help balance the budget. People don't want to hear but they do.

 

[TheVictors]

This board is pointless. heh