EM Drive?

[turok]

UNDERCOVER JOURNALISTS HAVE NINE MORE PLANNED PARENTHOOD VIDEOS IN THE CAN

Now under a restraining order barring release of footage

Yeah such bullshit they've all gotta be shut up now, huh uh..I hope those Charitians as you call them are givin Pulitzer Prizes


I'm still not sure how this em drive thread become a pp thread. Weird

Why not quote the poster who made it a PP thread?

Lessee an unbiased link to more of those allegedly incriminating PP videos, and also a link to their restraining order(s), please.

Those charlatans and their astroturfed front organization, are far from being accredited "journalists"

 

[byco42]

I still fail to see how she's a hypocrite on this issue. (we have had this argument before) Unless you're hung up over her being Catholic and not agreeing 100% with church doctrine, in which case I would ask how many people do; agree and follow church doctrine 100%?

Being Catholic means that you do follow what the church teaches without stipulations. Pelosi cannot claim to be Catholic and also support abortion.

Fact is I'm glad Nancy Pelosi puts her political beliefs and the beliefs of the constituents who elected her, ahead of her religious ones. As the Founding Fathers wanted it.

That's not what she's doing. She is not prioritizing her beliefs. She has no valid religious beliefs to express in this circumstance.

 

[Thumb]

Being Catholic means that you do follow what the church teaches without stipulations. Pelosi cannot claim to be Catholic and also support abortion.

In your opinion.

That's not what she's doing. She is not prioritizing her beliefs. She has no valid religious beliefs to express in this circumstance.

Therefore no problem, since religion is not supposed to be a part of government in the first place.

 

[grandy]

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/news-and-...y-poll/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=1961

Looks like about a third of weekly church-going Catholics are not actually Catholic.

Someone should let them know.

 

[turok]

Hey now! I started another thread for all this for you turok

http://www.detroitsportsforum.com/showthread.php?t=20245

Use it ya knuckleheads

Sorry, but not taking the bait, since I wasn't the member who first brought PP up. g/l with garnering many, if any "knuckleheaded" responses within it, however.

 

[Spartanmack]

Yeah, I get the point, and unlike you, I don't post personal insults to imply that any member is an idiot here, although there are some that use their personal beliefs to make it appear that they are somehow spiritually and morally superior to others, w/o knowing much, if not jack shit about them personally.

As far as the lion hunter Palmer, he and his criminal cohorts ILLEGALLY poached that lion, who was made to suffer despite being no threat to anyone, while being tracked with a GPS device that he hid in a tree when discovering it on his neck. The lion was not legally killed nor was it mercifully killed quickly. I am all too aware that lions amongst other big game animals are hunted "legally," but there are FAR more being poached, especially elephants and rhinos for the black-market value of their tusks and horns.

BTW..this will be my last reply to you. Don't bother with a retort, b/c I won't see it.

We both know you're going to read this.

No, you just make vague references to people when posting incorrect accusations about them, which I then responded to in a similar fashion to mock you.

And what Palmer did was not illegal. Baiting is a common, legal practice. The western press would have you believe they entered the sanctuary w/ a dead animal carcass and dragged it along the ground as a carrot to lure the lion out of the sanctuary and killed him the moment he stepped off protected lands. That's not what reportedly happened. The bait was set on a private game ranch, where it's legal to hunt w/ a permit which Palmer had. Unfortunately for this particular lion, he followed the scent which led him off the sanctuary and it cost him his life. Tragic? Maybe, but not if you ask a Zimbabwean official or ordinary citizen. Illegal? Maybe something will come out that supports your narrative but for now, it doesn't appear to be.

 

[Spartanmack]

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/news-and-...y-poll/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=1961

Looks like about a third of weekly church-going Catholics are not actually Catholic.

Someone should let them know.

only 392 Catholics in the survey and only 152 of them attend services weekly. not a very big sample.

 

[grandy]

only 392 Catholics in the survey and only 152 of them attend services weekly. not a very big sample.

True

While I've been trying to find a poll with a larger number of responses, there doesn't seem to be a huge difference in views between Catholics and non-Catholics in this country
http://www.gallup.com/poll/117154/catholics-similar-mainstream-abortion-stem-cells.aspx (~3000 Total, breakdown not specified)

I really don't care for true Scotsman arguments. Based on numbers I've looked at and personal experience, it doesn't seem like self-identified Catholics in the west are all united when it comes to political views based on scripture.

 

[byco42]

In your opinion.

Not my opinion. That of the Holy See.

Therefore no problem, since religion is not supposed to be a part of government in the first place.

That's not really it at all. There just cannot be a Church of the United States of America. It's not that the elected cannot consider their own moral compass, even when it's influenced by their religion, when voting or running for office. That's not proscribed.

 

[Spartanmack]

True

While I've been trying to find a poll with a larger number of responses, there doesn't seem to be a huge difference in views between Catholics and non-Catholics in this country
http://www.gallup.com/poll/117154/catholics-similar-mainstream-abortion-stem-cells.aspx (~3000 Total, breakdown not specified)

I really don't care for true Scotsman arguments. Based on numbers I've looked at and personal experience, it doesn't seem like self-identified Catholics in the west are all united when it comes to political views based on scripture.

Most people view abortion as a moral, not a legal issue and that's reflected in the fact that it never cracks the top 10 most important issues to voters. According to PEW, Catholics overall are more morally opposed to abortion than the general population.

 

[grandy]

Most people view abortion as a moral, not a legal issue and that's reflected in the fact that it never cracks the top 10 most important issues to voters. According to PEW, Catholics overall are more morally opposed to abortion than the general population.

Is it a dramatic difference though?

 

[Spartanmack]

Is it a dramatic difference though?

http://www.pewforum.org/2013/08/15/abortion-viewed-in-moral-terms/

It's a little convoluted. It separates hispanic catholics (64% opposed) and white catholics (53%) vs. unaffiliated (25%) and overall (49% opposed vs. 15% not morally opposed - surprisingly 23% say it's not a moral issue which I don't understand at all).

Hard to say where Catholics overall would come in on the issue without more data but obviously it's above 53% in this data set. And I don't think anyone here is claiming to be morally superior or that all Catholics are united on this subject or the fact that they're not somehow invalidates the view of Catholics who do have those opinions. And it's also a dangerous point some are trying to make - that someone is opposed to abortion just because they are Catholic and the Church tells them to think that way.

 

[byco42]

Let's get back to the rocket. It's fast.

 

[grandy]

http://www.pewforum.org/2013/08/15/abortion-viewed-in-moral-terms/

It's a little convoluted. It separates hispanic catholics (64% opposed) and white catholics (53%) vs. unaffiliated (25%) and overall (49% opposed vs. 15% not morally opposed - surprisingly 23% say it's not a moral issue which I don't understand at all).

Hard to say where Catholics overall would come in on the issue without more data but obviously it's above 53% in this data set.

It's likely difficult to pinpoint, I don't think there's anything close to a unified set of views for self-identified Catholics, as opposed to say Evangelicals. It's even more obvious outside Europe/US, that global poll had something like 99% of African Catholics opposing same-sex marriage.

Abortion not being seen as a moral issue is a bit surprising. Maybe some think it's more of a medical issue? I don't know.

I'm neutral on abortion so I'm curious to see how both sides handle it, American Catholic opinion is something that I find especially interesting. Personally, I think the abortion debate is intentionally divisive in this country, it's more about scoring political points rather than addressing the underlying issues (similar to gun control and minimum wage). But I guess I shouldn't be surprised, this country loves quibbling over the symptoms rather than the real problems.

 

[Michchamp]

Let's get back to the rocket. It's fast.

you're ready to abort this thread.

 

[tigermud]

Nobody took me up on the other thread. :-( I've got some stuff I could post there but why bother

Back to the game

 

[elrod817]

You know what they say "you can lead an idiot to knowledge, but you can't make him think". I don't think that's scripture or even the exact verbiage of the saying, but you get the point (maybe). Also, there is no "a" in "ever".

And there's no "e" in "rant".

 

[Spartanmack]

And there's no "e" in "rant".

And no "a" in rent which of course, is too damn high!

 

[Gulo Blue]

How did I miss out on a thread about rockets AND Catholicism!?!

But with regard to following Church doctrine being a requirement, how is a lay Catholic supposed to know what rises to the level of doctrine and what doesn't? (No sarcasm, that a genuine question I wonder about.) I think the reality is that people don't know where the lines are drawn and feel ok drawing them for themselves because there's no way everyone can be expected to be a scholar with the knowledge and wisdom of a life of study when you're a young adult calling yourself Catholic. Catholicism is for everyone, not just the studious, well-read, walking-encyclopedias.

Also, people aren't hypocrites for placing high value in personal freedom and being pro-life. That argument fails to consider the point of view of the person holding it...which is that the aborted entity is a person. In that case, abortion is a tremendous failure to protect personal freedom since a person has lost all of theirs. (I do believe that most of the disagreement on the issue stems from the difference in belief in personhood and that drives a lot of the opinions about how heartless or insincere or stupid the other side is. Of course the others side's arguments don't make sense in the context of an opposite belief of whether or not we're talking about a person.)

Also, going back to one of the first posts, NASA is not socialism. Some of it is I guess, but a lot of it, the bulk I think, is government employees posting what they want and then reading the proposals of private, for profit companies and choosing which ones to fund.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Also, the discovery of alien life would not destroy the Bible. The Pope can't wait to baptize sentient aliens.

http://www.christianpost.com/news/p...d-welcome-martians-to-receive-baptism-119630/