Following The President's Advice...

[jwlcosu]

to talk Obamacare at Thanksgiving dinner

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnpxMMJ4UnA

 

[Thumb]

Is that the best you could do? It was neither witty, satirical, or even well shot, yet you thought it deserved it's own thread.

But then I guess I shouldn't expect the bar to be to high for an *ohio state fan.

 

[Michchamp]

Is that the best you could do? It was neither witty, satirical, or even well shot, yet you thought it deserved it's own thread.

But then I guess I shouldn't expect the bar to be to high for an *ohio state fan.

and especially this particular ohio fan.

I actually only clicked the thread because I wanted to see your response to whatever stupid shit he posted was, and I was disappointed... because I expected something as good as that one thing you posted where jesus tells the universe not to masturbate.

 

[tinselwolverine]

and especially this particular ohio fan.

I actually only clicked the thread because I wanted to see your response to whatever stupid shit he posted was, and I was disappointed... because I expected something as good as that one thing you posted where jesus tells the universe not to masturbate.

Ya know, it's been a while since I went to Sunday school, but I actually don't remember the Sunday school teacher ever saying that Jesus specifically had an opinion on masturbartion, either way.

Although I may have been staring out the window and thinking about the Michigan football game the day before, and just missed.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Ya know, it's been a while since I went to Sunday school, but I actually don't remember the Sunday school teacher ever saying that Jesus specifically had an opinion on masturbartion, either way.

Although I may have been staring out the window and thinking about the Michigan football game the day before, and just missed.

Don't know if you were joking or not but that was my Sunday school day in a nutshell. Thinking about the UM game and the soon to be Lions game and the pretty girl who sat next to me.

 

[Sbee]

Thanksgiving, where we sit around and reflect on the good things in our life, like employer plans and medicare. if you don't have one of those and have to buy on your own, well too fucking bad.

 

[TheVictors]

yeah, jwlcosu starts a lot of stupid threads on this board.

 

[Michchamp]

Thanksgiving, where we sit around and reflect on the good things in our life, like employer plans and medicare. ...

I like how you can also hear those people claim we have the "best" healthcare in the world because of the "free market" which provides those things to consumers... consumers who make well-informed choices and negotiate fairly with insurers to buy the ideal coverage for their families.

I think these people are smoking PCP or something at the time.

 

[Sbee]

I like how you can also hear those people claim we have the "best" healthcare in the world because of the "free market" which provides those things to consumers... consumers who make well-informed choices and negotiate fairly with insurers to buy the ideal coverage for their families.

I think these people are smoking PCP or something at the time.

don't let the truth get in the way of a good story.

"America.....Fuck Yeah"

never mind infant mortality, life expectancy, healtcare cost as a % of GDP, obesity, heart disease and cancer rates

 

[Sbee]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_health_expenditure_(PPP)_per_capita

nope, no problems with this. let's continue with for profit insurance companies and fee based payments.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Our capabilities are incredible. Our contribution to the advance of medical technology is great. The free-ish market is a part of that (our universities are probably a bigger part though). Plus, talking about life expectancy rankings obscures the fact that the US is only 4 years shy of the top nation in the world. Given our sedentary lifestyles and diets and the resulting obesity rates, I don't think the 4 year difference is driven by a lacking healthcare system. Heart disease and cancer rates aren't driven by how good our system is either. I wouldn't be surprised if even infant mortality had more to do with lifestyle choices than how good our healthcare system is.

The problems are financial. The way it breaks people financially and leaves many out in the cold is the problem. If money wasn't a factor, what other nation would you want to be in if you had some health problem to deal with?

 

[Michchamp]

Our capabilities are incredible. Our contribution to the advance of medical technology is great. The free-ish market is a part of that (our universities are probably a bigger part though). Plus, talking about life expectancy rankings obscures the fact that the US is only 4 years shy of the top nation in the world. Given our sedentary lifestyles and diets and the resulting obesity rates, I don't think the 4 year difference is driven by a lacking healthcare system. Heart disease and cancer rates aren't driven by how good our system is either. I wouldn't be surprised if even infant mortality had more to do with lifestyle choices than how good our healthcare system is.

The problems are financial. The way it breaks people financially and leaves many out in the cold is the problem. If money wasn't a factor, what other nation would you want to be in if you had some health problem to deal with?

If money wasn't a factor...

so if I could basically rent my own hospital wing, hire a doctor or doctors, other specialists, and a private nurse to look after me, yeah, I guess I wouldn't want to leave America.

but if I had to be an average member of the population suffering from some chronic, or even potentially fatal condition, or left me susceptible to other illnesses, I'd rather live in the UK, the Netherlands, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Denmark, Canada, Belgium, Germany, Luxembourg, France, Iceland, or Japan. Or one of those Persian Gulf countries that sends every citizen a $60,000 check. I would have a pretty hefty health savings account by now, and could simply fly somewhere for treatment if need be.

 

[Gulo Blue]

If money wasn't a factor...

so if I could basically rent my own hospital wing, hire a doctor or doctors, other specialists, and a private nurse to look after me, yeah, I guess I wouldn't want to leave America.

but if I had to be an average member of the population suffering from some chronic, or even potentially fatal condition, or left me susceptible to other illnesses, I'd rather live in the UK, the Netherlands, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Denmark, Canada, Belgium, Germany, Luxembourg, France, Iceland, or Japan. Or one of those Persian Gulf countries that sends every citizen a $60,000 check. I would have a pretty hefty health savings account by now, and could simply fly somewhere for treatment if need be.

Chronic is the key qualifier. As an average member of the population, I think you still want to be in the US in the event of an extraordinary health problem, provided it's something that can be resolved. Chronic conditions that insurance companies won't cover indefinitely are another issue.

Either way, the problem is money, not the quality of our healthcare.

 

[Michchamp]

Chronic is the key qualifier. As an average member of the population, I think you still want to be in the US in the event of an extraordinary health problem, provided it's something that can be resolved. Chronic conditions that insurance companies won't cover indefinitely are another issue.

Either way, the problem is money, not the quality of our healthcare.

what country would you rather live in?

I bet Switzerland. Or... you and your wife like warmer weather now, right? Maybe you guys would like Spain or Portugal. they don't have BBQ sauce though.

 

[Gulo Blue]

what country would you rather live in?

I bet Switzerland. Or... you and your wife like warmer weather now, right? Maybe you guys would like Spain or Portugal. they don't have BBQ sauce though.

I like it here and I think our healthcare is great. I'm not denying the massive problems with the financial side, I just think you America haters go too far when you start acting like the care itself isn't world class.

If I had to choose between typical US healthcare for something fully covered by insurance or typical healthcare anywhere else for the same thing, I'd pick the US.