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5 dead so far, 13 shot.
Preliminary ID suspect Esteban Santiago in custody.
Preliminary ID suspect Esteban Santiago in custody.
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Get Startedhave there been any instances where armed citizens made a mass shooting worse? There's plenty of evidence that shows armed citizens have prevented bloodshed - anyone with internet access can see that.
turns out the FBI knew about this guy and had interviewed him.
I guess since he only posed an obvious danger to the general public, and not state power generally, or anyone in the FBI specifically, they let him go on his merry way, to shoot up some place whenever he finally snapped.
are you in favor of the FBI detaining everyone they interview?
If you limit the parameters to "mass shooting" then maybe not. But there are plenty of cases where someone tried to take out a person with a gun and shot a bystander by mistake. - anyone with internet access can see that.
http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/264755/carjacking-gone-wrong-houston-texas/
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/armed-civilians-do-not-stop-mass-shootings
http://www.theadvocate.com/new_orle...cle_e12c55b8-c464-11e6-be7c-5f777abeca8e.html
I always think of the Aurora theater massacre and some John Wayne blowing away innocent people in a dark theater.
Sounds like this was another Vet suffering PTSD or another mental illness.
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but that didn't happen in the Aurora theater massacre and as far as I can tell, it hasn't happened in any of the mass shootings. There have been a number of potential mass shootings that were stopped by armed citizens though.
in Houston earlier this year, a wannabe Hero just ended up getting himself shot by the gunman, and his presence only added to confusion over whether there were multiple perpetrators. the body count in that one was lower only because the nutcase started shooting in an area without a lot of foot traffic. the thing is, unless your wannabe hero has been training for such an occasion, its likely he's going to be outmatched by the crazed shooter - who has been, or is at least ex-military (like the guy in Ft. Lauderdale or in my example from Houston).
I've read other accounts that say its only a matter of time before some hero gets himself shot by law enforcement when they show up to a heated, emotionally-chared, and chaotic situation looking for a gunman. I will try to find these accounts. I remember that they quoted actual police who were against the idea that more guys with guns would've resulted in better outcomes in these mass shootings.
So, there are ample reasons to doubt very much that more guns around will lead to Hollywood-style outcomes at mass-shootings.
where are your examples of mass shootings ended by a hero citizen?
you think a typical licensed civilian gun owner - I assume you mean someone with a CCL - has more experience handling guns than someone who is ex- military??? seems like a stretch.
you think a typical licensed civilian gun owner - I assume you mean someone with a CCL - has more experience handling guns than someone who is ex- military??? seems like a stretch
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