gonna visit the George W. Bush presidential library

[zyxt9]

full disclosure: I voted for Bush in 2000.

EDIT: Or rather, the immature 20 year old version of me did. Ha.

(though Michigan went for Gore, regardless)

Well to be fair that election was between two terrible candidates. I voted for gore simply cuz I felt he would be better on environmental concerns along with my preferences for women's abortion rights, gay rights, and a few other issues I felt would be better if gore was elected.

With that election it still feels like regardless of who won, the country lost before the election even happened because neither was worthy of the presidency in an ideal sense, and I'm not sure the US will ever have a great president again. Far too much influence by the extremes and not enough money nor power for an Independent who is Moderate.

 

[Thumb]

So Gore hasn't shown mental instabilities to the point of being made fun of on South Park? He hasn't demonstrated ineffective leadership on the environmental front?

Sorry that you lack an ability to extrapulate how those would have resulted in worse reactions to 9/11, then again you probably would have been fine even if Gore actually nuked the entire Middle East simply because you are a Liberal Extremist and the Dems never do anything wrong in your black and white world.

Wait...are you insinuating that Gore would have nuked the middle east if he had been Pres. when 9/11 happened?

And my world is black and white?

 

[zyxt9]

Wait...are you insinuating that Gore would have nuked the middle east if he had been Pres. when 9/11 happened?

And my world is black and white?

Did you not read the edit I made? No, I was saying he could have nuked the middle east simply because of how much fossil fuel they produce and all the liberals would have applauded.

Ah, I see the time stamp was the edit came just after your post. That was y I edited it because I re-read it and thought someone might interpret it that way, sorry for confusion.

 

[redandguilty]

Gore pushed heavily for carbon cap & trade. He was heavily invested in it too. Carbon cap and trade probably wouldn't anything for the environment unless it did it by crushing the economy. Carbon credits were supposed to be the next great/mother of all bubbles. That's the worst thing I'm aware of about Gore's plans had he been elected.

In 2009, Matt Taibbi was still saying Goldman Sachs wants cap and trade and something like it will happen eventually. He says it'll be worse than the bailout. I'd actually be ok with a carbon tax, just because if we had that, I'd feel that we'd be like likely to try a cap and trade system.

 

[Michchamp]

Gore pushed heavily for carbon cap & trade. He was heavily invested in it too. Carbon cap and trade probably wouldn't anything for the environment unless it did it by crushing the economy. Carbon credits were supposed to be the next great/mother of all bubbles. That's the worst thing I'm aware of about Gore's plans had he been elected.

In 2009, Matt Taibbi was still saying Goldman Sachs wants cap and trade and something like it will happen eventually. He says it'll be worse than the bailout. I'd actually be ok with a carbon tax, just because if we had that, I'd feel that we'd be like likely to try a cap and trade system.

cap and trade couldn't have been worse than this: link.

The Time George Bush Fist-Pumped About Making the Planet Worse

Becauseas Bush prepared to depart Japan on the last day of his final G8 summit, he "signed off with a defiant farewell over his refusal to accept global climate change targets," and reportedly told his fellow leaders, "Good-bye from the world's biggest polluter"—a dark joke that he followed by "punch[ing] the air while grinning widely, as the rest of those present including Gordon Brown and Nicolas Sarkozy looked on in shock."
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[redandguilty]

cap and trade couldn't have been worse than this: link.

The Time George Bush Fist-Pumped About Making the Planet Worse

Becauseas Bush prepared to depart Japan on the last day of his final G8 summit, he "signed off with a defiant farewell over his refusal to accept global climate change targets," and reportedly told his fellow leaders, "Good-bye from the world's biggest polluter"—a dark joke that he followed by "punch[ing] the air while grinning widely, as the rest of those present including Gordon Brown and Nicolas Sarkozy looked on in shock."
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M'eh. That's just non-Presidential behavior and a bad joke. I'll take that over a cap and trade bubble anyday. ...now the wars. That's another issue. I'll take another economy crushing bubble over a war.

 

[zyxt9]

Yeah, the amount of "bad" pollution produced by the US has been getting better with all the regulations that have been put in place.

If you want to see a nation that has been thoroughly destroying the air quality, go visit China. I've heard their air quality is more like what the US used to be like because they don't care about the air quality and therefore don't have regulations. A friend of mine who worked on several refineries in China said that was just part of it, as they are also polluting the crap out of their rivers from what he witnessed, toxic chemicals that are required to be handled properly were just being dumped into the river.

People need to realize Earth requires Global efforts. Not that the US is the best, obviously, but it has gotten considerably better since the '70s. Now if people want to put a dent in pollution, they should look elsewhere in order to be more productive and efficient with their desire, but the US is always the preferred target.