Offseason Deals and Rumors

[spockmaster]

I'd do that in a heartbeat, personally. Problem is I think theyre full up on OFs now with Kemp, Myers, and now Upton plus all the OFs they already had. Dunno if they'd want Cespedes.

 

[swami45]

Platoon of Smith and Davis will give you an ops over .800 in LF

 

[spockmaster]

Yup. The problem then becomes Gose's no bat in CF. Maybe we could get Maybin back with Smith lol. Double platoon with a decent bench.

 

[spockmaster]

*checks Maybins stats* or maybe just Smith.

 

[Rebbiv]

*checks Maybins stats* or maybe just Smith.

Yeah. Maybin is worse or just as worse as Gose.

I fully expect Gose to be out of baseball sometime in 2015 or 2016. I think he is a repeat of Gene Kingsale/Alex Sanchez/Nook type.

 

[Thumb]

Gene Kingsale just got excited because the next time he googles himself there will be 4 results rather then 3.

 

[Rebbiv]

Gene Kingsale just got excited because the next time he googles himself there will be 4 results rather then 3.

Now that is funny.


Kingsale is the centerfielder that DD traded for and expected to be our starting CFer for years to come. I know supposedly he was Alan Trammel's pick, but DD actually executed it and then made blatant claims. Then he compounds it more by trading for Alex Sanchez, all while having a young Andres Torres available.

 

[byco42]

I'll pile on with Marvin Lane and Milt Cuyler.

 

[spockmaster]

God, that would suck. DD has a bit of a habit of getting all glove, no bat, speedy CFers, then anointing them the starter and having then fail hard-core, doesn't he? I had hoped he'd given up on that after Kingsale and Sanchez, but I guess not.

 

[stonecold2136]

Kemp 2011 Away .319 BAVG .397 OBP .593 SLG .990 OPS

Kemp 2012 Away .301 BAVG .362 OBP .541 SLG .903 OPS

Kemp 2013 Away .310 BAVG .364 OBP .493 SLG .857 OPS

Kemp 2014 Away .300 BAVG .373 OBP .479 SLG .852 OPS


178 players with at least 800 PAs Away since 2011.

OPS
1. M. Cabrera
6. M. Kemp
12. V. Martinez
20. P. Fielder
32. C. Granderson
58. M. Joyce

82. T. Hunter
84. C. Pena
95. Y. Cespedes
115. A. Avila
122. J. Peralta
134. D. Young
135. O. Infante
140. A. Jackson
141. I. Kinsler
173. R. Davis


wOBA
1. M. Cabrera
8. M. Kemp
12. V. Martinez
22. P. Fielder
32. C. Granderson
60. M. Joyce
77. T. Hunter

80. C. Pena
98. A. Avila
117. Y. Cespedes
123. J. Peralta
135. D. Young
140. A. Jackson
142. O. Infante
143. I. Kinsler
172. R. Davis


wRC+
1. M. Cabrera
8. M. Kemp
11. V. Martinez
22. P. Fielder
35. C. Granderson
59. M. Joyce
77. T. Hunter

82. C. Pena
100. A. Avila
116. Y. Cespedes
124. J. Peralta
135. D. Young
140. A. Jackson
141. I. Kinsler
143. O. Infante
172. R. Davis


We aren't talking about Carl Crawford or Ryan Howard, both of whom are in the Rajai Davis area for offense. We are talking about a top 10 offensive player, who hits for high average. How is he a turd?

The reason Kemp is a turd? He is a shell of his old self. Bad hamstrings which make u hold your breath everytime he tries to beat out a grounder for an infield hit, outrun a ball hit over his head.

Also his ankle injury in 2013 is nothing to forget about



Matt Kemp Out with an Osteochondral Lesion

Matt Kemp, who is an outfielder for the Los Angeles Dodgers, will be unable to help the Dodgers in the post season this year due to an MRI showing swelling in one of the major weightbearing bones in Matt Kemp?s ankle, the talus. Kemp initially injured his ankle in a play at the plate against the Washington Nationals on July 21. After missing 52 games on the disabled list, he returned to play on September 16th but was held out of Saturday?s game due to soreness in his ankle. This prompted an MRI that revealed swelling in the talus (osteochondral lesion), taking Kemp out of the lineup in the post season.

What does swelling in the ankle (talus) mean?

On an MRI after an ankle sprain injury, swelling in the talus typically will mean that there is some cartilage damage in the bone, called an osteochondral lesion. When an ankle is sprained, a number of different structures can be injured. In addition to the ligaments and tendons around the ankle being torn, occasionally a small piece of cartilage can chip off of the talus bone. This cartilage damage is usually not readily seen on x-rays, but will often show up on MRI as bone swelling. A CT scan may be useful in determining the size of the osteochondral lesion.

What is the treatment of an osteochondral lesion?

Picture of Talus Bone and Cartilage
Picture of Talus Bone and Cartilage

Treatment of an osteochondral lesion depends on the location and severity of the lesion. Lesions on the inside, or medial aspect, of the talus are usually deeper and more stable. Lesions on the outside, or lateral aspect, of the talus are usually shallower and wafer shaped ? making them less stable. Osteochondral lesions can be classified as compression or bruising of the bone (stage I), partially detached (stage II), completely detached but non-displaced (stage III), or completely detached and displaced in the ankle joint (stage IV). Stage I, II, and lateral stage III lesions are best treated conservatively with a period of immobilization that includes a non-weightbearing below knee cast for six weeks. If pain persists after this period of immobilization, surgery may be indicated. Medial stage III and stage IV lesions are best treated with surgery.

What are the surgical options for an osteochondral lesion?

There are a number of procedures that can be done depending on the size and depth of the osteochondral lesion. Before surgery, the size and depth of the lesion should be determined with a CT scan to help with planning the appropriate procedure.

Microfracture surgery

Cartilage in general has a poor blood supply and it has poor healing potential. Microfracture surgery involves drilling holes into the lesion to stimulate blood flow in the area and promote the formation of fibrocartilage. This procedure is fairly minimally invasive as it is often done through a scope. This procedure has good outcomes for smaller lesions.

Cartilage graft

A cartilage graft can be placed in the area of the osteochondral defect to effectively replace damaged cartilage. This method is usually reserved for lesions of about 1 cm in diameter. In this procedure, the osteochondral lesion is punched out and replaced with a cartilage graft of identical size from a donor. For the best results, a graft is taken from the similar bone in which the osteochondral defect is present as to recreate the anatomic contour of the joint as best as possible. This is best done with a cadaver bone that matches the affected ankle. Cadaver bones should be used within 14 days of it being harvested and should be fresh, not frozen. Frozen grafts will deteriorate cartilage cells and reduce the ability of the graft to successfully incorporate into the host.

Stem cells

Mesenchymal stem cells make up about 2-3 % of all blood cells in bone marrow and they have the ability to differentiate into different types of cell types if placed in the right environment. They also have the ability to stimulate new blood vessel growth, which is important in developing avascular tissue such as cartilage. Stem cells can be separated from bone marrow that is harvested from the body and either injected into the ankle joint or placed over the osteochondral lesion itself in a gel form with a scaffold graft. The stem cells will then differentiate into cartilage due to the growth factors and signals that are present in the environment in which they were placed.

What should Matt Kemp do?

The current treatment plan for Matt Kemp is immobilization in a non-weightbearing cast. This likely means that the lesion is either a stage I, II or lateral stage III lesion and likely to heal with conservative treatment. It is very important to rest this injury because the talus bone does not have a great blood supply. Due to this, any additional pressure that is placed on the ankle may cause the lesion to get bigger and ultimately cause arthritic changes in the future. A CT scan would be useful in evaluating any cartilage or bone defect that may be present in the ankle. Should he continue to have pain after this period of immobilization, surgery may be indicated. After immobilization, a period of rehab is needed. Range of motion and strengthening exercises are done to help strengthen the ankle. Assuming conservative treatment works, Matt Kemp should be back for spring training in 2014 to help the Dodgers reach the post season again.

Now he has arthritis to deal with?

If you take away the huge contract MVP season of 2011 and used 2012 -2014

Your away splits are not telling the whole story of Matt Kemp the last 3 years

Here are the games played and plate appearances for those 3 years

2012 Games Played - 106
2013 Games Played - 73
2014 Games Played - 150

Average games played in 3 year span per year 109 (That's 53 games a year missed)

Plate Appearances

2012 - 449
2013 - 290
2014 - 599

Average PA per year - 446

Away PA

2012 - 218
2013 - 154
2014 - 303

Also you have to carry a 4th starting outfielder do to the threat of Kemp being injured. This almost offsets the money the Dodgers ate to Dump him off to the Padres.

Kemp also had only 16 HR's on Sept 1st. He has a hot September once rosters were expanded and some teams started developing younger players by playing them.

 

[stonecold2136]

You think Matt Kemp is a turd, yet Ian Kinsler can walk on water.

That just does not compute Will Robinson.

I was trying to let things go with you since the whole OBP philosophy thread last year.

That was a low blow.

By the way Kinsler lead the A.L. in PA 726 and AB's 684 with 161 GP. He also plays 2B at a championship level. He also had 92 RBI AND 188 hits. While batting #1 or 2 the entire year.

Also a range factor of 4.82 at 2B. WITH A war of 5.5

I would much rather have Ian kinsler playing everyday than Kemps injured broken down ass on the bench 40 games a year. The Padres can have him

 

[Thumb]

I was trying to let things go with you since the whole OBP philosophy thread last year.

That was a low blow.

By the way Kinsler lead the A.L. in PA 726 and AB's 684 with 161 GP. He also plays 2B at a championship level. He also had 92 RBI AND 188 hits. While batting #1 or 2 the entire year.

Also a range factor of 4.82 at 2B. WITH A war of 5.5

I would much rather have Ian kinsler playing everyday than Kemps injured broken down ass on the bench 40 games a year. The Padres can have him

How is it a low blow? It's a legitimate point.


They both are hilariously overpaid. Kemp significantly outproduces Kinsler on offense, Kinsler plays better defense, but Kemp is no slouch himself. Kemp has had injury problems, but so has Kinsler (2008, 2010, 2013).


/shrug

 

[swami45]

Craig Breslow re signs with Boston for only 2 million. That's ok though, tigers can count on Ian Krol and Blaine Hardy

 

[stonecold2136]

How is it a low blow? It's a legitimate point.


They both are hilariously overpaid. Kemp significantly outproduces Kinsler on offense, Kinsler plays better defense, but Kemp is no slouch himself. Kemp has had injury problems, but so has Kinsler (2008, 2010, 2013).


/shrug

I just feel like you were trying to bait me into another war of words. Due to my feelings about Kinsler.

You can bash him all you want he was a solid player and only missed one game last year. He was a managers choice All Star. One of the best at his position. If you don't like his OPS fine. Every player can't have an OPS of .800 plus batting lead off or 2nd.

 

[spockmaster]

Craig Breslow re signs with Boston for only 2 million. That's ok though, tigers can count on Ian Krol and Blaine Hardy

 

[Thumb]

I just feel like you were trying to bait me into another war of words. Due to my feelings about Kinsler.

You can bash him all you want he was a solid player and only missed one game last year. He was a managers choice All Star. One of the best at his position. If you don't like his OPS fine. Every player can't have an OPS of .800 plus batting lead off or 2nd.

I didn't bash him at all. I was pointing out the irony of calling a quality player a "turd" while constantly putting Kinsler on a giant pedestal. I think if you looked closer you would find more similarities between them than differences, as I pointed out; both are making more money then they deserve, both have had injuries and missed significant time in multiple seasons, both of them are good defenders, and the biggest difference between them is Kemp is much better offensively.

So again, if your logic tells you Kemp = turd, and Kinsler = god; then maybe your compass is a little crooked.

 

[stonecold2136]

I didn't bash him at all. I was pointing out the irony of calling a quality player a "turd" while constantly putting Kinsler on a giant pedestal. I think if you looked closer you would find more similarities between them than differences, as I pointed out; both are making more money then they deserve, both have had injuries and missed significant time in multiple seasons, both of them are good defenders, and the biggest difference between them is Kemp is much better offensively.

So again, if your logic tells you Kemp = turd, and Kinsler = god; then maybe your compass is a little crooked.

Hmmm your comparing apples to oranges
How about compare 2 players at the same position

Robinson Cano 31 Years old 2014 stats - No more cheap HR's in New York

2014 31 Seattle Mariners $24,000,000
2015 32 Seattle Mariners $24,000,000
2016 33 Seattle Mariners $24,000,000
2017 34 Seattle Mariners $24,000,000
2018 35 Seattle Mariners $24,000,000
2019 36 Seattle Mariners $24,000,000
2020 37 Seattle Mariners $24,000,000
2021 38 Seattle Mariners $24,000,000
2022 39 Seattle Mariners $24,000,000
2023 40 Seattle Mariners $24,000,000


Games - 157
PA'S - 665
AB - 595
Runs - 77
Hits - 187
2B - 37
3B - 2
HR - 14
RBI - 82
SB - 10
BB - 61
SO - 68
BA - .314
OBP - .382
SLG - .454
OPS .836
Total bases - 270
IBB - 20

Ian Kinsler 32 Years old taken out of the best hitters park(Texas) in baseball - who now has to hit in Comerica Park(Detroit)

2014 32 Detroit Tigers $16,000,000
2015 33 Detroit Tigers $16,000,000
2016 34 Detroit Tigers $14,000,000
2017 35 Detroit Tigers $11,000,000
2018 36 Detroit Tigers ($12,000,000 Team Option Buyout 5 Million)



Games - 161
PA - 726
AB - 684
Runs - 100
Hits - 188
2B - 40
3B - 4
HR - 17
RBI - 92
SB - 15
CS - 4
BB - 29
SO - 79
BA - .275
OBP - .307
SLG - .420
OPS - .727
Total bases - 287
IBB - 1

These 2 players stats are not that far off from each other. If Kinsler still hit in Texas, their OPS would be almost identical for 2014.

Kinsler for $16 million is a steal and his contract gets even better over time!!!! it also allows us to have an All Star caliber 2nd baseman and still have an extra 8 million left over to spend for another player

The contract of Matt Kemp


2013 28 Los Angeles Dodgers $20,000,000 6.049 contracts
2014 29 Los Angeles Dodgers $21,000,000 7.049 contracts

2015 30 San Diego Padres $21,250,000 8.049 $6.4M paid by Los Angeles Dodgers
2016 31 San Diego Padres $21,750,000 $6.4M paid by Los Angeles Dodgers
2017 32 San Diego Padres $21,750,000 $6.4M paid by Los Angeles Dodgers
2018 33 San Diego Padres $21,750,000 $6.4M paid by Los Angeles Dodgers
2019 34 San Diego Padres $21,750,000

The contract of Adam Jones who in my opinion walks circles around Matt Kemp in every aspect of the game except walks and OPS. Jones also has a strong bill of health and is not injury prone like Kemp. With your philosophy you hate him because he only took 19 walks and has an OPS of .780

2014 28 Baltimore Orioles $13,000,000 6.139 contracts

2015 29 Baltimore Orioles $13,000,000 7.139
2016 30 Baltimore Orioles $16,000,000
2017 31 Baltimore Orioles $16,000,000
2018 32 Baltimore Orioles $17,000,000

 

[Mitchrapp]

Well consider you have to tie Kinsler's arms behind him to take a pitch there's a big difference between him and Cano of last season.

 

[stonecold2136]

Well consider you have to tie Kinsler's arms behind him to take a pitch there's a big difference between him and Cano of last season.

Cano had 20 intentional walks to Kinsler's 1. So u take intentional walks away Cano has 41 to Kinslers 28 that's only a difference of 13 walks talk about splitting hairs. Also consider who Kinsler hits in front of. Do you really think pitchers want to put Kinsler on base with a walk with Miggy coming up?

 

[Mitchrapp]

Cano had 20 intentional walks to Kinsler's 1. So u take intentional walks away Cano has 41 to Kinslers 28 that's only a difference of 13 walks talk about splitting hairs. Also consider who Kinsler hits in front of. Do you really think pitchers want to put Kinsler on base with a walk with Miggy coming up?

Why do you you think he got those IBB? Guarantee you with or without batting in front of Miggy he isn't get IBB. He got a total of zero in 2012 and 2013 and 9 for a whole career.