Offseason Deals and Rumors

[tomdalton22]

I see a 3rd place finish even with all healthy. I hate the bullpen, no 2 hole hitter or leadoff. Who is the SS if Iggy can't play? Horrible defense at 3rd and 1st. I don't see the wins coming from starters lost vs. who we acquired. It's a mess. People are gonna hate Cespedes defense, he has a good arm but wait and see the other defensive fundamentals or lack thereof. Ill watch all the games and root for them but my expectations are low.

Here is how they win it. Jv returns to 2011 12 form. Price wins 20. Sanchez stays healthy. Greene be a solid starter. Lights out bullpen. Casty improves defensively and offensively. Iggy stays healthy and establish 2 hole hitting spot. Avila hit more. VMart and Miggy play 140 games healthy. Have some pop off the bench. JD Martinez hits like he did last year. Cespedes plats average D. Kinsler plays like last year. Simon steps in at any role needed in bullpen. Asmus not managing game like Leyland. No faith in Nathan or Rondon.

If all of those things happen they will win 105 games.

 

[kingofdetroit57]

Just saw a blurb on detnews.com saying we are talking w/ the Jays about Navarro for pitching. Anybody else hear anything more on this?

 

[swami45]

Just saw a blurb on detnews.com saying we are talking w/ the Jays about Navarro for pitching. Anybody else hear anything more on this?

Seen that they just had discussions with the jays about him but nothing more from jon morosi.

Bad thing is if they get him he replaces Victor for what a month then he blocks McCann and sends him back down to Toledo

 

[Rebbiv]

Last 3 years Away

A. Avila .322 OBP .361 SLG .683 OPS 8.3 PA/BB

Navarro .308 OBP .369 SLG .677 OPS 17.0 PA/BB

 

[tomdalton22]

Seen that they just had discussions with the jays about him but nothing more from jon morosi.

Bad thing is if they get him he replaces Victor for what a month then he blocks McCann and sends him back down to Toledo

I can't see them signing him to take the place of Victor. If they are looking at him it may be because they are worried about Avila

 

[motownwebguy]

I can't see them signing him to take the place of Victor. If they are looking at him it may be because they are worried about Avila

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[spockmaster]

If they get Navarro, Im going to throw a fucking fit. Im already not a fan of this offseason.

 

[Thumb]

What pitching do we even have to offer?

Our rotation is thinner then it has been in 5 seasons, and our bullpen is a train wreck. It's not like we have arms lined up down on the farm either that we can afford to part with either. Not that anyone would want on purpose anyways.

 

[motownwebguy]

If they get Navarro, Im going to throw a fucking fit. Im already not a fan of this offseason.

It could turn out as Navarro / McCann. Tigers have until either March 15th or March 30th, to sort-out Avila. There's no other reason for Dombrowski to inquire on Navarro, other than doubts of Alex's durability inside his head.

There are already tell-tale signs of notable concern, having Avila do work at 1B. I see three futures for Avila.....

1) Traded
2) DL
3) DFA'd

 

[spockmaster]

It would be stupid regardless. Questions about Avila's durability should have been answered in the offseason (and I think they were, which is why there has been talk of the platoon), and even if they DID get rid of Avila for that reason, going to Navarro would be a downgrade. It would make literally no sense.

 

[Rebbiv]

Has there been a Venezuela born MLB player DD hasn't pursued?

Second, why pickup Avila's option in the offseason, only to trade for another catcher, who is 3 years older and not as good?

 

[jdeb]

To help secure Price's long term extension?

 

[tomdalton22]

To help secure Price's long term extension?

Dear god...I hope that isn't the plan!!

 

[Rebbiv]

To help secure Price's long term extension?

Navarro has been one of the worst battery mates for Price.

Catchers who have caught at least 60 IP with Price

J. Jaso 191.0 IP .217 BAVG .275 OBP .341 SLG .616 OPP OPS 3.58 SO/W 1.10 WHIP 2.59 BB/G

A. Avila 63.3 IP .235 BAVG .268 OBP .350 SLG .618 OPP OPS 6.00 SO/W 1.07 WHIP 1.56 BB/G

J. Lobaton 70.0 IP .277 BAVG .296 OBP .335 SLG .631 OPP OPS 3.08 SO/W 1.21 WHIP 3.34 BB/G

J. Molina 474.0 IP .239 BAVG .279 OBP .359 SLG .638 OPP OPS 5.74 SO/W 1.06 WHIP 1.48 BB/G


D. Navarro 128.3 IP .214 BAVG .310 OBP .350 SLG .660 OPP OPS 1.52 SO/W 1.26 WHIP 4.34 BB/G

K. Shppach 162.0 IP .241 BAVG .311 OBP .394 SLG .705 OPP OPS 2.69 SO/W 1.24 WHIP 3.06 BB/G


Or maybe you meant as a threat. "Sign an extension, or else we will trade for Navarro."

 

[Mitchrapp]

To help secure Price's long term extension?

Or Price could say "fk this, I'm not pitching with this clown."

 

[Mitchrapp]

Avila calls such a good game. That's his value. He could hit 10 and I wouldn't care.

 

[dubbsco]

I do not have enough fingers to count how many times the Tigers needed Avila to come up with a huge hit, and he cannot make it happen. You need to get a little production out of your catcher in the lineup. He doesn't have it.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I do not have enough fingers to count how many times the Tigers needed Avila to come up with a huge hit, and he cannot make it happen. You need to get a little production out of your catcher in the lineup. He doesn't have it.

But going from Avila to another not so good game manager, and you could be adding runs to the opposing team. Plus, it's not like we'd be going from Avila at the plate to Pudge. Navarro might have a better BA but even with that AA still had a better OBP. I'll take AA all day over Navarro.

 

[dubbsco]

I'm late to the party and not really debating Avila vs Navarro. I just think looking at other options isn't the worst thing. I'm not sure how much more Avila can hold up with the constant injuries.

 

[Rebbiv]

I do not have enough fingers to count how many times the Tigers needed Avila to come up with a huge hit, and he cannot make it happen. You need to get a little production out of your catcher in the lineup. He doesn't have it.

The problem with this statement is the stats do not back it up, in particular Close/Late.


2014 Close/Late

J.D. Martinez 71 PA .338 OBP .672 SLG 1.010 OPS 1 GIDP

M. Cabrera 87 PA .425 OBP .507 SLG .932 OPS 5 GIDP

I. Kinsler 94 PA .351 OBP .571 SLG .922 OPS 3 GIDP

A. Avila 73 PA .375 OBP .540 SLG .915 OPS 0 GIDP

T. Hunter 76 PA .342 OBP .437 SLG .779 OPS 3 GIDP

V. Martinez 94 PA .351 OBP .402 SLG .753 OPS 3 GIDP

A. Jackson 57 PA .286 OBP .423 SLG .709 OPS 2 GIDP

N. Castellanos 86 PA .314 OBP .342 SLG .656 OPS 0 GIDP

R. Davis 84 PA .268 OBP .367 SLG .635 OPS 2 GIDP



Last 3 years

M. Cabrera 112.3 RC/650 .305 BAVG .414 OBP .514 SLG .928 OPS 9.8 PA/BB
A. Avila 110.1 RC/650 .287 BAVG .385 OBP .503 SLG .888 OPS 7.6 PA/BB

I. Kinsler 89.3 RC/650 .281 BAVG .338 OBP .447 SLG .785 OPS 14.0 PA/BB
T. Hunter 83.2 RC/650 .274 BAVG .331 OBP .429 SLG .760 OPS 14.8 PA/BB
J.D. Martinez 79.9 RC/650 .264 BAVG .327 OBP .445 SLG .772 OPS 12.6 PA/BB

Y. Cespedes 76.4 RC/650 .243 BAVG .300 OBP .459 SLG .759 OPS 18.2 PA/BB
V. Martinez 75.9 RC/650 .287 BAVG .369 OBP .391 SLG .760 OPS 14.5 PA/BB
A. Jackson 75.7 RC/650 .237 BAVG .304 OBP .406 SLG .710 OPS 13.2 PA/BB

R. Davis 69.8 RC/650 .247 BAVG .294 OBP .350 SLG .644 OPS 19.9 PA/BB
A. Gose 50.2 RC/650 .232 BAVG .276 OBP .263 SLG .539 OPS 17.8 PA/BB



**Late & Close are Plate Appearances in the 7th or later with the batting team tied, ahead by one, or the tying run at least on deck.