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[tycobb420]

For a short term op (ex: Grenada), Congressional approval is not necessary. However, the Libya campaign is in a grey area because of its length. He should have sought a use of force authorization.

If youre crucifying Obama for Lybia...then George bush should be stoned in the middle of an iraqi square for war crimes since he started a 10 year war and killed a ton of people over weapons that werent there.

Not crucifying anyone. Bush had a use of force authorization.
Obama did not. I am questioning a president's ability to wage war without congressional authorization. It is not a partisan or ideological position. It is a legitimate question.

 

[tycobb420]

There appears to already be covert military action taking place in Iran.

Covert being the operative word.

Not really the same as airstrikes.

I see tsmith has a lil' buddy to sit on the fence with.

As if the Iranians don't know the U.S. and Israel are in country assassinating nuclear scientists and sabotaging nuclear sites...

and one of the options was to send in a team to retrieve the drone....

 

[lions2011]

If youre crucifying Obama for Lybia...then George bush should be stoned in the middle of an iraqi square for war crimes since he started a 10 year war and killed a ton of people over weapons that werent there.

Not crucifying anyone. Bush had a use of force authorization.
Obama did not. I am questioning a president's ability to wage war without congressional authorization. It is not a partisan or ideological position. It is a legitimate question.

write your congressman....get an answer.

like I said Presidents have danced around the War Powers act for decades.

 

[tycobb420]

Not crucifying anyone. Bush had a use of force authorization.
Obama did not. I am questioning a president's ability to wage war without congressional authorization. It is not a partisan or ideological position. It is a legitimate question.

write your congressman....get an answer.

like I said Presidents have danced around the War Powers act for decades.

They don't have an answer. Period. Technically, he is allowed 60 days and then has to start a withdrawal or get congressional authorization.

 

[lions2011]

write your congressman....get an answer.

like I said Presidents have danced around the War Powers act for decades.

They don't have an answer. Period. Technically, he is allowed 60 days and then has to start a withdrawal or get congressional authorization.

It

 

[lions2011]

write your congressman....get an answer.

like I said Presidents have danced around the War Powers act for decades.

They don't have an answer. Period. Technically, he is allowed 60 days and then has to start a withdrawal or get congressional authorization.

withdrawl ?? of what ??

there wasn't one American Soldier on the ground in Libya.

 

[tycobb420]

They don't have an answer. Period. Technically, he is allowed 60 days and then has to start a withdrawal or get congressional authorization.

withdrawl ?? of what ??

there wasn't one American Soldier on the ground in Libya.

The War Powers Act is probably unconstutional. However, that does not mean a president can wage war without congressional approval.

There were a few boots on the ground. However, I meant cessation of activities.

 

[Monster]

Throw shit at the wall and hope it sticks?

 

[lions2011]

Monster [/color]]Throw shit at the wall and hope it sticks?

The Republican Slogan since 2008.

 

[tycobb420]

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They don't have an answer. Period. Technically, he is allowed 60 days and then has to start a withdrawal or get congressional authorization.

It

 

[Monster]

Monster [/color]]Throw shit at the wall and hope it sticks?

The Republican Slogan since 2008.

He's a radical christian terrorist that hates white people! No? He's a muslim! No? He's an illegal alien? No? He's a socialist? No? He didn't get permission to use lethal force against a man who was about to slaughter his own people! No? He thinks america is lazy! No?

 

[lions2011]

Monster [/color]]

The Republican Slogan since 2008.

He's a radical christian terrorist that hates white people! No? He's a muslim! No? He's an illegal alien? No? He's a socialist? No? He didn't get permission to use lethal force against a man who was about to slaughter his own people! No? He thinks america is lazy! No?

Im still waiting for Trump's and that wacked out Sherriffs in Arizona's Private Investigators to out that "hidden" shit about the birth certificate they found.

 

[mhughes0021]

How does one determine the length of an OP beforehand, and when is the point of time in which it's no longer considered short term?

Longer than what Reagan did, but shorter than what Obama does, gotcha.

That is the question. How long does a president have? Congress was willing to give him an authorization, but he declined.

Cause he didnt need it. We sent no one there!

 

[mhughes0021]

If youre crucifying Obama for Lybia...then George bush should be stoned in the middle of an iraqi square for war crimes since he started a 10 year war and killed a ton of people over weapons that werent there.

Not crucifying anyone. Bush had a use of force authorization.
Obama did not. I am questioning a president's ability to wage war without congressional authorization. It is not a partisan or ideological position. It is a legitimate question.

then stone all of congress too...

 

[tycobb420]

That is the question. How long does a president have? Congress was willing to give him an authorization, but he declined.

Cause he didnt need it. We sent no one there!

Not true. There was a contigent on the ground and don't forget the pilots.

 

[lions2011]

Cause he didnt need it. We sent no one there!

Not true. There was a contigent on the ground and don't forget the pilots.

a total of 4 US Military personel hit the ground in Lybia....4.

and that was to help advise rebuilding the Embassy.

so if 4 is a contingent..you got us Rush.

 

[tycobb420]

Not true. There was a contigent on the ground and don't forget the pilots.

a total of 4 US Military personel hit the ground in Lybia....4.

and that was to help advise rebuilding the Embassy.

so if 4 is a contingent..you got us Rush.

Look up the word "uninformed" and then check out the closest mirror.

The U.S. sent in troops to help "neutralize" the Libyan Air Force in March. The troops were classified "advisors" for PR purposes. The Pentagon acknowledged in Sept only 4 at the embassy plus they sent an additional 12 to help at the embassy. We don't know how many "advisors" were or are in country. Check out the NY Times or Wash Post sometime. Also, may want to consider taking some courses in research and learn how to formulate coherent arguments.

 

[mhughes0021]

a total of 4 US Military personel hit the ground in Lybia....4.

and that was to help advise rebuilding the Embassy.

so if 4 is a contingent..you got us Rush.

Look up the word "uninformed" and then check out the closest mirror.

The U.S. sent in troops to help "neutralize" the Libyan Air Force in March. The troops were classified "advisors" for PR purposes. The Pentagon acknowledged in Sept only 4 at the embassy plus they sent an additional 12 to help at the embassy. We don't know how many "advisors" were or are in country. Check out the NY Times or Wash Post sometime. Also, may want to consider taking some courses in research and learn how to formulate coherent arguments.

ok...so were up to 4 + 12 = 16. Sounds like a fucking war to me! Theres gang fights in the streets of LA bigger than that....

 

[tycobb420]

Look up the word "uninformed" and then check out the closest mirror.

The U.S. sent in troops to help "neutralize" the Libyan Air Force in March. The troops were classified "advisors" for PR purposes. The Pentagon acknowledged in Sept only 4 at the embassy plus they sent an additional 12 to help at the embassy. We don't know how many "advisors" were or are in country. Check out the NY Times or Wash Post sometime. Also, may want to consider taking some courses in research and learn how to formulate coherent arguments.

ok...so were up to 4 + 12 = 16. Sounds like a fucking war to me! Theres gang fights in the streets of LA bigger than that....

Not including the so-called advisors, which they won't divulge the number of or whether they are in country still or not.