Over 50 killed on air strike in Yemen

[biggunsbob]

A joint Saudi Arabia and United States military Missile strike kills 51. Forty of them were children ages 6-11 who The Saudi?s said it was a legitimate target and that the boys had conducted misssle strikes of their own against Saudi Arabia. The Arabs of Mecca have said they need no independent investigation, and can conduct a fair review of the strike . The US will send a 3 star general to help with the investigation.


https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-y...n-on-a-bus-in-yemen-air-strikes-idUKKBN1KU12Q


https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/13/middleeast/yemen-children-school-bus-strike-intl/index.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...b4c13286d6b_story.html?utm_term=.2f72a9339c5e

 

[biggunsbob]

Yemen crisis : Who is fighting who.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-29319423

 

[Michchamp]

I've been following along with this, although it makes me ill.

This is really awful...

The Saudis are also in a fight with Canada (yes, that's right)... click the link for the 9/11 type tweet they sent to Canada, which they later took down. They are cartoonishly evil. And they're one of our biggest allies.

Friends like these...

 

[Michchamp]

on Democracy Now! this morning, they had an interview with a man who's son was killed in the strike. he said he was in the market nearby when the strike occurred, and was helping to clear bodies. as he picked one up and turned him over, saw his son's face. it was pretty intense to hear that and imagine what it must feel like to go through the same thing.

As I've read, the Saudi's lost on the ground to the Houthi rebels there when they tried to invade (highly paid mercenaries don't really stand up to people committed to defending their land), so they resorted to bombing their water treatment plants and blockading their ports. cholera is now widespread, and millions of Yemenis are starving to death.

 

[biggunsbob]

Yeah I saw that on tv too. It was very sad. So many children killed besides his son . The Saudi official said they were terroists and the target was legit :/

 

[Mitchrapp]

Children are sometimes terrorist and some are just forced into it and of course others who are just at the market. Hate when Children die though, dang.

 

[biggunsbob]

While that is true some kids are turned into terrioist after Watching the Video of these kids laughing and jumping up and down a few hours before because school was out for the summer I am just not buying Saudi Arabia’s intel on sending a misssle into a crowded market to get a few missslie launching kid terrioist. That was the Saudi guys words. There has to be a better way to target the leaders.
What the fuck are we doing in Yemen ? Why, why why, Let me get this straight Iran (Shia)is backing Yemen , and Saudi Arabia (Sunni) wants to be more powerful then Iran in the Middle East so we are helping them probably let me guess ....OIL Interests lol !

 

[Mitchrapp]

Going deeper into the article -- A U.S. military spokeswoman said “U.S. Central Command was not involved in the air strike in Saada.” Its last air strike in Yemen was July 24 against Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, she said..


So were we involved or not?

 

[Polish-Hammer]

While that is true some kids are turned into terrioist after Watching the Video of these kids laughing and jumping up and down a few hours before because school was out for the summer I am just not buying Saudi Arabia?s intel on sending a misssle into a crowded market to get a few missslie launching kid terrioist. That was the Saudi guys words. There has to be a better way to target the leaders.
What the fuck are we doing in Yemen ? Why, why why, Let me get this straight Iran (Shia)is backing Yemen , and Saudi Arabia (Sunni) wants to be more powerful then Iran in the Middle East so we are helping them probably let me guess ....OIL Interests lol !

USA will take any opportunity to stick it to Iran. USA still upset their dictator got kicked out of power.


Also Saudis got oil, USA will suck the longest, blackest, shafts to obtain some sweet sweet foreign oil. Let's just ignore the majority of foreign oil coming into the US is from Mexico/Canada.

 

[Michchamp]

Children are sometimes terrorist and some are just forced into it and of course others who are just at the market. Hate when Children die though, dang.

oh come on man. these were kids, riding a school bus in their own country.

Going deeper into the article -- A U.S. military spokeswoman said “U.S. Central Command was not involved in the air strike in Saada.” Its last air strike in Yemen was July 24 against Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, she said..


So were we involved or not?

We sold them this bomb. We provide aerial refueling.

we sell them lots of bombs, planes, and tanks, specifically to fight this war. (link) that's from april 2017.

10 senate Democrats joined Republicans to block a bill aimed at cutting US aid for this war not too long ago.

and I've also seen (but can't find a link right now) there are reports the Pentagon has officers serving with the Saudi armed forces right now. But that's not surprising... we're

 

[Michchamp]

The articles on CNN that stupidly downplay (or outright ignore) our active involvement in Yemen, like they did in Syria, are propaganda to keep us all ignorant of what our country is doing abroad.

so if/when someone blows up a US airliner in retaliation, we can all look around wide-eyed and say "Duuuuuuh, why would they do this? why do they hate our freedom?"

 

[Polish-Hammer]

The articles on CNN that stupidly downplay (or outright ignore) our active involvement in Yemen, like they did in Syria, are propaganda to keep us all ignorant of what our country is doing abroad.

so if/when someone blows up a US airliner in retaliation, we can all look around wide-eyed and say "Duuuuuuh, why would they do this? why do they hate our freedom?"

Speaking of shooting down Airliners, Iran still owes you 1 shotdown civilian airliner.


Recall the incident couple decades back when US navy illegally entered Persian territorial waters to harrass the Persian navy. They spotted a plane on radar and shot it down. Was just an airliner.

 

[Michchamp]

Speaking of shooting down Airliners, Iran still owes you 1 shotdown civilian airliner.


Recall the incident couple decades back when US navy illegally entered Persian territorial waters to harrass the Persian navy. They spotted a plane on radar and shot it down. Was just an airliner.

I know.

the operation was called "Operation Praying Mantis"... they sunk a couple Iranian boats and blew up some of their platforms.

I can't remember if we shot the airliner down before or after that. we never apologized, because that's not something we do. If you never admit you made a mistake, it's like you never made the mistake.

 

[biggunsbob]

I agree the United States Yemen involvement reeks. But hey the military just got a big raise. Year after year the United States out spends every other country combined. When will that madness stop.

 

[biggunsbob]

USA will take any opportunity to stick it to Iran. USA still upset their dictator got kicked out of power.


Also Saudis got oil, USA will suck the longest, blackest, shafts to obtain some sweet sweet foreign oil. Let's just ignore the majority of foreign oil coming into the US is from Mexico/Canada.

Yup I agree with you PH.

 

[tomdalton22]

Speaking of shooting down Airliners, Iran still owes you 1 shotdown civilian airliner.


Recall the incident couple decades back when US navy illegally entered Persian territorial waters to harrass the Persian navy. They spotted a plane on radar and shot it down. Was just an airliner.

From an article I found.

In the summer of 1988, American warships were patrolling the Strait of Hormuz to protect commercial shipping, including oil tankers, during the Iran-Iraq conflict. It was perilous duty: a year earlier, an Iraqi jet had mistakenly fired a missile into a U.S. Navy ship, killing 37 Americans. And on the morning of July 3, a helicopter from the Navy guided-missile cruiser U.S.S. Vincennes came under fire from Iranian patrol boats.

With the Vincennes in pursuit of the Iranians, Iran Air flight 655 departed from Bandar Abbas in southern Iran, en route to Dubai. As the Airbus jet headed toward the Vincennes, the Americans misidentified the Iranian jet as a hostile fighter ? Iranian fighter jets sometimes also took off from Bandar Abbas ? and the Vincennes fired two surface-to-air missiles that destroyed the plane. Two hundred and seventy four passengers and 16 crew were killed, nearly all of them Iranians.

The U.S. paid $61.8 million to the Iranian victims? families. But America has never admitted responsibility or apologized.

 

[Spartanmack]

From an article I found.

In the summer of 1988, American warships were patrolling the Strait of Hormuz to protect commercial shipping, including oil tankers, during the Iran-Iraq conflict. It was perilous duty: a year earlier, an Iraqi jet had mistakenly fired a missile into a U.S. Navy ship, killing 37 Americans. And on the morning of July 3, a helicopter from the Navy guided-missile cruiser U.S.S. Vincennes came under fire from Iranian patrol boats.

With the Vincennes in pursuit of the Iranians, Iran Air flight 655 departed from Bandar Abbas in southern Iran, en route to Dubai. As the Airbus jet headed toward the Vincennes, the Americans misidentified the Iranian jet as a hostile fighter ? Iranian fighter jets sometimes also took off from Bandar Abbas ? and the Vincennes fired two surface-to-air missiles that destroyed the plane. Two hundred and seventy four passengers and 16 crew were killed, nearly all of them Iranians.

The U.S. paid $61.8 million to the Iranian victims? families. But America has never admitted responsibility or apologized.

$61.8mm to the victims' families sounds like an admission of responsibility.

 

[Michchamp]

$61.8mm to the victims' families sounds like an admission of responsibility.

As part of the settlement, even though the U.S. government did not admit legal liability or formally apologize to Iran, it still agreed to pay US$61.8 million on an ex gratia basis, amounting to $213,103.45 per passenger, in compensation to the families of the Iranian victims.​

 

[Spartanmack]

As part of the settlement, even though the U.S. government did not admit legal liability or formally apologize to Iran, it still agreed to pay US$61.8 million on an ex gratia basis, amounting to $213,103.45 per passenger, in compensation to the families of the Iranian victims.​

that's basically what Tom's post said. the point is, the payment is essentially a de facto admission of responsibility - I don't think anyone who knew the circumstances leading to the payment would interpret it as a goodwill or humanitarian gesture from the kindness of the heart of the US government.

 

[Michchamp]

apparently paying blood money to relatives of people we accidentally kill, without admitting anything, has been going on for years now (link).

"We feel bad your [insert relative here] somehow died in a bomb blast while we were bombing your country. While we're certain that wasn't caused by us or anyone we supplied with bombs, here's some money.

Hopefully you can spend it on something nice and get to enjoy it before you or it somehow gets blown up in a bomb dropped by some other country. Also, we cannot stop bombing your country. Bombing your country is important to our national security. We hope you understand, but we also don't care."

Signed,
The United States of America.​