Red_and_Nutty and Byco will get their state religion

[Michchamp]

Link.

"Republican legislators in North Carolina want to declare an official state religion as a way of nullifying court rulings that prohibit prayer by public entities."
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This comment from them shows a troubling lack of understanding:

?The Constitution of the United States does not grant the federal government and does not grant the federal courts the power to determine what is or is not constitutional..."
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Well, they've been doing that for more than 200 years, so good luck with that...

The idea that a STATE could actually establish a religion is a bit of a gray area though. Obviously the 1st amendment prevents the federal government from doing so. NC might have to forego an awful lot of federal money though, the threat of which would hopefully kill the deal. But then again, not taking any money from the Feds is a Tea Party ideal, so if they are consistent, that shouldn't be an issue.

It will probably be an issue for NC's roads, bridges, airports, harbors, hospitals, etc., and all the big businesses that support them. And as Troy Michigan's mayor found out, and Florida's governor is about to find out... regardless of whether you are big government or small government... you don't turn down money for the people who fund your campaigns!

 

[redandguilty]

As long as the religion is based on reverence for food trucks...I'm good.

 

[redandguilty]

I wonder if there are any cases where you could use an opportunity for prayer as a filibuster.

 

[byco42]

I don't want a state religion. And does not the 10th amendment kind of say that no state can do what the Fed. Gvmt can't do as well?

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

It's not that clear to me.

 

[Thumb]

My dad told me something once, he was always interested in the history of wars, and the lessons that could be taken from them. He told me that he believed WWIII would come some day, but that he never thought it would ever be between NATO and the Eastern Bloc, but rather similar to Nazi Germany, where a state would decide it's ideals were the only path.

An official religion is a dangerous thing, we talk about Iran a lot, but if we start down this road, we end up at the same place. Many of same people who speak out against Islamic Governments would happily have the Bible rest next to the Constitution.

When WWIII happens, religion will surely be the fuel that drives the war machine.

 

[redandguilty]

It's against the law to sing off key here too.

And if a man and woman who aren't married go to a hotel and register as married, then they are to be considered married.

Also, organizations are not permitted to hold meetings while members present are in costume.

 

[tinselwolverine]

It's against the law to sing off key here too.

And if a man and woman who aren't married go to a hotel and register as married, then they are to be considered married.

Man, if I lived in the south, my ass would have been in prison for bigamy years ago...

Not for singin' off key though.

 

[Michchamp]

I don't want a state religion. And does not the 10th amendment kind of say that no state can do what the Fed. Gvmt can't do as well?

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

It's not that clear to me.

it doesn't expressly prohibit the states from doing it, and the 1st amendment just says "congress shall make no law respecting an est. of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."

 

[byco42]

it doesn't expressly prohibit the states from doing it, and the 1st amendment just says "congress shall make no law respecting an est. of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."

Yeah but in the phrase "prohibited by it to the states" is not the antecedent "it" refer to the Constitution?

 

[tinselwolverine]

it doesn't expressly prohibit the states from doing it, and the 1st amendment just says "congress shall make no law respecting an est. of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."

Maybe we can come up with our own state religion for Cali...the CO EXIST religion with all them different symbols from all them religions and it spells out CO EXIST...you seen 'em on them bumper stickers...

Oh, I founds it on line, I done did...

This one is cool too...

But I think CO EXIST should be the Caliornia religion; we already have a Museum of Tolerance...

 

[Michchamp]

Yeah but in the phrase "prohibited by it to the states" is not the antecedent "it" refer to the Constitution?

i think so, but it doesn't anywhere expressly prohibit the states from doing this, just congress.

i remember a few professors discussing this and saying it was possible, but would of course raise all sorts of issues; amazingly, no state had ever tried it before, although politicians in south carolina discussed it as well.

 

[Michchamp]

It's against the law to sing off key here too.

And if a man and woman who aren't married go to a hotel and register as married, then they are to be considered married.

Also, organizations are not permitted to hold meetings while members present are in costume.

just because a law may not be constitutional doesn't automatically take it off the books. there's a whole legislative process involved in doing so (imagine that), and unless someone actually challenges a law in court, or the legislature repeals it, it'll remain on the books.

 

[Michchamp]

that would be funny if they accidentally made their state religion islam instead of non-denominational,christian or baptist or whatever they had planned

 

[redandguilty]

that would be funny if they accidentally made their state religion islam instead of non-denominational,christian or baptist or whatever they had planned

It's possible. If you can allow fracking because someone pushes the wrong button, why not?

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2012/07/03/lawmaker-hits-wrong-button-approves-n-c-fracking/

 

[Michchamp]

It's possible. If you can allow fracking because someone pushes the wrong button, why not?

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2012/07/03/lawmaker-hits-wrong-button-approves-n-c-fracking/

that is insane.

enjoy your hydraulic fluid water.