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Soon, we will all have to comply

It's scary to me. I think vaccinations are a good thing and I get them sometimes, but we shouldn't all be made to put our eggs in the same basket.
 
since I've never had polio, measles, mumps, or rubella, I think vaccines are a good thing.
 
I seem to remember what maybe was a smallpox vaccination where it left a distinct roundish scar varying in size and depth on the left front shoulders of most who received it, and who now apparently are in their late 30s or older, many whose scars are much more noticeable and some scars being more distorted (maybe from being overweight/obese/muscle growth during or soon after) than others, and was administered beginning in the 60s. I don't have even a trace or faint scar and and don't remember if I ever received the vaccination.
 
I seem to remember what maybe was a smallpox vaccination where it left a distinct roundish scar varying in size and depth on the left front shoulders of most who received it, and who now apparently are in their late 30s or older, many whose scars are much more noticeable and some scars being more distorted (maybe from being overweight/obese/muscle growth during or soon after) than others, and was administered beginning in the 60s. I don't have even a trace or faint scar and and don't remember if I ever received the vaccination.

That is a very interesting story.
 
I can't remember what it was for but I have a vaccination scar on my hand since the mid 70's when I was a child.

I got the flu shot once (15 years ago), and right after got the flu. Haven't taken it since and never will. Mandatory shots is a bad idea.
 
That is a very interesting story.

Now that I think about it more, both my deceased father who would have been 93 years old on the 8th of this month, and my now elderly mother who is 85, had/has the vaccination scar, but IIRC, like myself, none of my younger 3 siblings born from the late 50s to the mid-60s do either. Perhaps the vaccinations began earlier than the 60s, or they both became vaccinated while we were young children in the 60s...hmm..interesting indeed. I will have to call my mother b/c my curiosity is piqued, but she has become more forgetful, sometimes with her better long-term memory. When she talks to me in person or on the phone, she occasionally mentions my father in the present tense as if he is still living, when he has been dead for nearly 15 years now.
 
Well personally, if they're willing to risk losing their jobs over something so trivial as a flu shot, they they have no cause to bitch about it.

They work in the medical field, where people often reside with compromised immune systems, so yeah, I feel the hospital has a right to protect it's paying customers by requiring immunization of it's staff.

Let's face it, you can't get a job at a hospital with taking a T.B. test, so how is a little shot of dead influenza virus cells crossing some line?

This is just another conspiracy theory people are going to start going off about, just like how they believe the government (Obama government) wants to take everyone's guns away, even though in the 236.5 year history of this country no such bill has ever been introduced.

These people took as stand, and paid the penalty, as they should have. It's no different than someone refusing a drug test from their employer.
 
Now that I think about it more, both my deceased father who would have been 93 years old on the 8th of this month, and my now elderly mother who is 85, had/has the vaccination scar, but IIRC, like myself, none of my younger 3 siblings born from the late 50s to the mid-60s do either. Perhaps the vaccinations began earlier than the 60s, or they both became vaccinated while we were young children in the 60s...hmm..interesting indeed. I will have to call my mother b/c my curiosity is piqued, but she has become more forgetful, sometimes with her better long-term memory. When she talks to me in person or on the phone, she occasionally mentions my father in the present tense as if he is still living, when he has been dead for nearly 15 years now.

If she doesn't remember the details of your vaccinations, she can just ask your dad.
 
If she doesn't remember the details of your vaccinations, she can just ask your dad.

That was a bit off-topic or smartass comment, but whatever, I will explain why my mother still has not gotten and will never get over my fathers tragic and sudden death....off-topic.

My late father's hobby was refinishing antique furniture after he retired. I am typing this on a round oak table that he and my mother gave to me after he restored it. His garage was filled with solvents, lacquers, varnishes, and stripping compounds used in his hobby. My mother was not home the morning that he perished, she had been babysitting her two granddaughters overnight @ my sister and BIL's home, while they were away.

One of his two elderly next-door neighbors was there, both used to visit my father when he was working in the garage, and he sat in a large vinyl padded easy chair nearby where my dad himself would rest if he tired of working on a piece, for awhile. One neighbor was a heavy cigarette smoker, and IMO, that fall evening in early November while visiting, he accidentally dropped a lit butt or cherry from a cigarette he was smoking into the chair.

After he left, my father soon finished the work he was doing, and went into the attached house for the rest of the night and later to sleep. The vinyl chair smouldered for most of the night, or until it caught fire sometime early in the AM. The smoking and flaming vinyl easy chair spread the fire onto nearby furniture in various stages of restoration, and the wooden studs and rafters above it, before my father was awoken by a couple of his home's fire alarms shrill beeping ~5:30 am.

He apparently opened the interior door from the kitchen into the garage and somehow threw the flaming and acridly smoking chair out onto the front lawn while yelling call 911!! repeatedly to the mostly still sound asleep neighbors across the street and on each side next door. He was still clad only in his white boxer shorts and undershirt, on a chilly morning, and since the only door that was unlocked was back in the garage, he went back into it to call 911 inside the house. He never made it. The small town fire department found his severely burned body curled on the stoop next to the entrance door into the house. My dad's back was so badly charred that it was described as being "alligatored" in the coroner's report.

When he reentered the garage, the heat from the fire caused the automatic garage door opener to close the garage door shut, trapping my father in a now fire and smoke-filled two car garage. There were numerous explosions reported by his neighbors when the fire got to the combustible and flammable liquids stored on shelving and inside cabinets attached to the walls of the garage. The fire inspectors claimed that the fire was caused and had began by an electrical short or spark, BUT the fire started on the left side of the garage, where the padded vinyl easy chair was located, all of the electrical outlets and fusebox for the garage were located on the outside wall on the right side.
 
Well that sounds like a shitty way to go.
My father died of Alzheimer's, and, during his demise, I remember him talking about people who were long dead, as if they were still alive.

Although, he never describe the specifics of their deaths to the degree that you describe the specifics of the death of your father.
And why would he have? At that point in his demise he was remembering them as if they were still alive.
 
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These people shouldnt of been fired, and I say bravo for taking a stand.

Unfortunately since they didnt have there hand out or want to depend on the government, out the door they go. Just they world we live in I reckon.

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These people took as stand, and paid the penalty, as they should have. It's no different than someone refusing a drug test from their employer.

Refusing a vaccination and refusing a drug test are entirely different things. Having said that, if vaccinations are a clearly established condition of employment then, yes, I agree we all make choices and must then deal with the consequences. When it gets to the point where the boss can compel you to accept the needle, however, something is wrong.
 
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Refusing a vaccination and refusing a drug test are entirely different things. Having said that, if vaccinations are a clearly established condition of employment then, yes, I agree we all make choices and must then deal with the consequences. When it gets to the point where the boss can compel you to accept the needle, however, something is wrong.



How are they different?

When mandatory drug screenings first started to come about, people raged about how it violated their liberties, and that's the same issue at the heart of the vaccination debate.

Again these people were not "forced" to get the Flu shot, they took the alternative which was termination of employment, which I'm sure they all knew would happen when they refused the shot in the first place.

You want to say it's an entirely different thing, but it's not. We have all kinds of things we have no choice in whether we want to do or not, pay taxes, take an eye exam to get a drivers license, register changes of address, this was at least something they could refuse, albeit with a harsh consequence, which they were obviously willing to pay, or at least willing to be martyred off their soapboxes for.

The hospital drew a line in the sand, (for the sake of patient safety) and they crossed it, they deserved to get fired.
 
having someone forced to put a drug in their body is far different then one who volunteers to take drugs. There are other ways to prevent flu. Ive never taken a flu shot, but do take homeopathic remedies. I cant recall the last time I had the flu....over 20 yrs easily
 
having someone forced to put a drug in their body is far different then one who volunteers to take drugs. There are other ways to prevent flu. Ive never taken a flu shot, but do take homeopathic remedies. I cant recall the last time I had the flu....over 20 yrs easily


The Flu shot is not a drug.

And it's not "forced". It's simply a requirement of employment.

And you can brag about your homeopathic remedies all you want, nobody gives a fuck if you get the Flu, because you're not in an environment where you might infect hundred of others some of which, as pointed out, may have compromised immune systems.

And you might have a stronger immune system, I myself don't get the shot because I don't get the Flu, not in at least 15 years, but that does not mean you're not a CARRIER of the virus, you numbskull.

You comparing your situation to that of a hospital/EMS worker is absurd.
 
having someone forced to put a drug in their body is far different then one who volunteers to take drugs. There are other ways to prevent flu. Ive never taken a flu shot, but do take homeopathic remedies. I cant recall the last time I had the flu....over 20 yrs easily

I don't do modern medicine OR homeopathic remedies. All I go by is the power of prayer and ma faith in Jesus Christ.

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The Flu shot is not a drug.

And it's not "forced". It's simply a requirement of employment.

And you can brag about your homeopathic remedies all you want, nobody gives a fuck if you get the Flu, because you're not in an environment where you might infect hundred of others some of which, as pointed out, may have compromised immune systems.

And you might have a stronger immune system, I myself don't get the shot because I don't get the Flu, not in at least 15 years, but that does not mean you're not a CARRIER of the virus, you numbskull.

You comparing your situation to that of a hospital/EMS worker is absurd.


that Flu shot could very well have side affects. ...but we wont know until its too late.
This was a requirement after the nurses had already been employed...much different then a new hire.
Drug companies were reluctant to produce such vaccines fearing lawsuits...but congress provided lawsuit protection. Dont be surprised one day when its annouced things like autism, etc is a result of vaccinations like the infamous swine flu shots in the 70's
 
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